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Re: e-programmes

Postby MCB » 08 Aug 2018, 08:46

Eastleigh are doing a bit of both. After substantial losses with big 48 prorgammes, they have halfed the size and cut the cost from £3 to £1 whilst simultaneously offering it free online.

I substantially prefer their format online as you read it like you would a programme. Which format works for you?

Eastleigh: https://issuu.com/eastleighfc/docs/3587 ... ll_moors_v

Barnet: https://www.barnetfc.com/contentassets/ ... -final.pdf
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Re: e-programmes

Postby becbee » 08 Aug 2018, 08:51

rudebwoyben wrote:
finchleyman wrote:If they are going to get rid of the programmes, more information is required on the screens in the ground. Teams only shown briefly, no half time scores from around the league. This is really pathetic which rather sums up the club at the moment. TK doesn't give a shit about the supporters. You had better believe it.


I’d say it’s annoying rather than really pathetic. Why go overboard with the hyperbole? It’s pretty easy to go into the bar and have a look at the scores on the TV or wait for HRM to read them out.


Sorry but what does whether we have a paper match day programme have to do with the team announcement and half time scores? Neither of these can be obtained from a programme.

In any case, our pre match team announcements are no worse than any other club and are better than those without 2 screens to show the teams. And as Ben says, you can get the half time scores from the bar.
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Re: e-programmes

Postby Dave H » 08 Aug 2018, 10:49

I've always bought a programme. I have a collection going back 40 years of almost every game I've attended and have bought older significant programmes from the club's history on eBay. I hate reading anything much longer than a tweet online/on my phone. I will miss the physical programme and, unfortunately, it is yet another erosion of the match day experience for me (Some way behind closed terraces and a half empty ground with zero atmosphere).

I know I'm getting on, I'm a creature of habit and a bit of a luddite. I'm sure most fans in their late teens, twenties and thirties will see this as natural progression. However I wonder what effect this will have on the youngest fans. The kids who get taken to a Barnet match for the first time, who after the game (and the memory of how dull it was) has faded are left with nothing physical to read and reread. When they then get to go to The Emirates or White Hart Lane and get presented with a great big glossy programme to take home with them isn't it going to be just one more thing that confirms that that is real big time football, unlike little old Barnet?
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Re: e-programmes

Postby underhillbovrilstink » 08 Aug 2018, 11:12

have you ever noticed at half time about 95% of people are looking at their phone anyway.....
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Re: e-programmes

Postby Norfolk & Chance » 08 Aug 2018, 11:13

underhillbovrilstink wrote:have you ever noticed at half time about 95% of people are looking at their phone anyway.....


Looking for half time scores..............
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Re: e-programmes

Postby Hiveoccupier » 08 Aug 2018, 11:23

becbee wrote:
rudebwoyben wrote:
finchleyman wrote:If they are going to get rid of the programmes, more information is required on the screens in the ground. Teams only shown briefly, no half time scores from around the league. This is really pathetic which rather sums up the club at the moment. TK doesn't give a shit about the supporters. You had better believe it.


I’d say it’s annoying rather than really pathetic. Why go overboard with the hyperbole? It’s pretty easy to go into the bar and have a look at the scores on the TV or wait for HRM to read them out.


Sorry but what does whether we have a paper match day programme have to do with the team announcement and half time scores? Neither of these can be obtained from a programme.

In any case, our pre match team announcements are no worse than any other club and are better than those without 2 screens to show the teams. And as Ben says, you can get the half time scores from the bar.


I guess the point being made is that having removed the programme it would have been a good idea to improve the quality and quantity of announcements, whereas things went in the opposite direction.

Without a programme it is difficult to remember who is who in the opposition team. I'm sure people will get used to picking up a team sheet if they want one. It was however noticeable yesterday how many people were unaware that they couldn't buy a programme and disappointed about it.

The removal of the programme also seems to have seen the demise of the Black and Amber draw. Again this is a small issue in the over all scheme of things but another part of some people's routine chipped away.
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Re: e-programmes

Postby BeesKnees » 08 Aug 2018, 11:23

Now if only there was a supporters association or trust that could organise a printing service for those who feel aggrieved at the loss of a physical program.

I think the new online version is great, I can zoom in and read the text without getting my glasses out.
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Re: e-programmes

Postby rudebwoyben » 08 Aug 2018, 11:36

Hiveoccupier wrote:
becbee wrote:
rudebwoyben wrote:
finchleyman wrote:If they are going to get rid of the programmes, more information is required on the screens in the ground. Teams only shown briefly, no half time scores from around the league. This is really pathetic which rather sums up the club at the moment. TK doesn't give a shit about the supporters. You had better believe it.


I’d say it’s annoying rather than really pathetic. Why go overboard with the hyperbole? It’s pretty easy to go into the bar and have a look at the scores on the TV or wait for HRM to read them out.


Sorry but what does whether we have a paper match day programme have to do with the team announcement and half time scores? Neither of these can be obtained from a programme.

In any case, our pre match team announcements are no worse than any other club and are better than those without 2 screens to show the teams. And as Ben says, you can get the half time scores from the bar.


I guess the point being made is that having removed the programme it would have been a good idea to improve the quality and quantity of announcements, whereas things went in the opposite direction.

Without a programme it is difficult to remember who is who in the opposition team. I'm sure people will get used to picking up a team sheet if they want one. It was however noticeable yesterday how many people were unaware that they couldn't buy a programme and disappointed about it.

The removal of the programme also seems to have seen the demise of the Black and Amber draw. Again this is a small issue in the over all scheme of things but another part of some people's routine chipped away.


I think we have to wait until Saturday to see if that is the case as they usually didn't sell Black and Amber tickets on midweek matches last season.
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Re: e-programmes

Postby Psycho » 09 Aug 2018, 11:52

Norfolk & Chance wrote:Betting slips?


It is my sad duty to report that Jack Taylor was ambushed after the match by four balaclava wearing thugs and driven to some bleak wasteland, where he was stripped to the waist and shot through the head. Mistakes costs lives and the Spanish lingo suggested that there had been a South American betting ring - funded by drugs - that cost them €2m euros in stake money.

(It'll be alright, Jack. May hurt for a while though). :geahh:
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Re: e-programmes

Postby MCB » 09 Aug 2018, 13:15

Hoppy's thread opened up this:

Is 'published online' the same as 'published'?

http://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/art ... 013?page=0

THE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE LIMITED
KNOWN AS THE NATIONAL LEAGUE
FA STANDARDISED MEMBERSHIP RULES 2018/19 SEASON

8.14 The home Club is responsible for publishing a full match programme acceptable to the Board for each of its Competition matches. A Team Sheet will not be considered sufficient to comply with this Rule.
The visiting Club must send in writing to the home Club details of the proposed team they plan to field together with their Club history and up-to-date pen pictures of their current Players registered with the Competition for the season and the latest team photograph at least five days before the scheduled date of the match between the two Clubs.
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Re: e-programmes

Postby Hiveoccupier » 17 Aug 2018, 13:07

According to a twitter exchange I've just had with them about their update on the programme's conversion to digital format the Club has had the idea of enhancing the quality of the team sheet to make it more collectable and adding a QR code to link it to the online version.

It's a shame they didn't have that idea a couple of weeks ago, but as was discussed on this forum then it is an easy to do move, so better later than never.
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Re: e-programmes

Postby bucks bee » 17 Aug 2018, 15:48

My most local Southern League club, Beaconsfield Town, is also providing a free online matchday programme this season, rather than a paid-for paper one on sale at the ground, as are an increasing number of non-league clubs.

For a habitual programme collector such as me (and others; see Dave H above), this came as something of a blow. However, the company which is supplying the Beaconsfield online programme for the club (an outfit called Grassroots Publications, and a very fine job they're doing to judge from their first one) is also offering traditional paper copies, posted on Thursdays ahead of Saturday fixtures, for a modest charge (£2.20 per individual programme, £46 subscription for the full season of home fixtures, first-class postage included).

If Barnet's online programme is being similarly contracted-out to a specialist provider, perhaps they would be able to offer a similar service for the benefit of traditional programme collectors?
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Re: e-programmes

Postby Hiveoccupier » 17 Aug 2018, 16:04

bucks bee wrote:My most local Southern League club, Beaconsfield Town, is also providing a free online matchday programme this season, rather than a paid-for paper one on sale at the ground, as are an increasing number of non-league clubs.

For a habitual programme collector such as me (and others; see Dave H above), this came as something of a blow. However, the company which is supplying the Beaconsfield online programme for the club (an outfit called Grassroots Publications, and a very fine job they're doing to judge from their first one) is also offering traditional paper copies, posted on Thursdays ahead of Saturday fixtures, for a modest charge (£2.20 per individual programme, £46 subscription for the full season of home fixtures, first-class postage included).

If Barnet's online programme is being similarly contracted-out to a specialist provider, perhaps they would be able to offer a similar service for the benefit of traditional programme collectors?
:y:

It sounds a very sensible approach David and you would have thought the NFL, EFL and even Supporters Direct (for fan owned clubs) might think of creating a deal with a print to mail operator to do this. Draw up your legal terms for use of your intellectual property and pitch it ! :y: :y:
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Re: e-programmes

Postby MCB » 19 Sep 2018, 12:16

It looks like the company that produced our programme (and for several other clubs it seems) has closed down. I understand it was a big part of their business.

Not completely 100% on this, but if it's true it's very sad, as decisions like this have impacts elsewhere.
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Re: e-programmes

Postby CambsBee » 19 Sep 2018, 14:44

Dave H wrote:I've always bought a programme. I have a collection going back 40 years of almost every game I've attended and have bought older significant programmes from the club's history on eBay. I hate reading anything much longer than a tweet online/on my phone. I will miss the physical programme and, unfortunately, it is yet another erosion of the match day experience for me (Some way behind closed terraces and a half empty ground with zero atmosphere).

I know I'm getting on, I'm a creature of habit and a bit of a luddite. I'm sure most fans in their late teens, twenties and thirties will see this as natural progression. However I wonder what effect this will have on the youngest fans. The kids who get taken to a Barnet match for the first time, who after the game (and the memory of how dull it was) has faded are left with nothing physical to read and reread. When they then get to go to The Emirates or White Hart Lane and get presented with a great big glossy programme to take home with them isn't it going to be just one more thing that confirms that that is real big time football, unlike little old Barnet?


I agree with your comment regarding the younger fans, I have started to bring my 7 seven year old son to games over the last couple of seasons and he pores over the programme in his bedroom and this keeps up his interest in the club. That is because he has the time.

For me, I read it at the match and then forget about it as I have other things I need to think about
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