Decision time

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ETBee
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257327Post ETBee »

It doesn't help that we bring in players with long term underlying injury problems like Reynolds and Boucaud. can't see that the pitch can be to blame. Last season Tarpey and Johnston's injuries were as the result of a couple of tangled tackles, Tarpey's from a defender and Johnston's from his own tackle.

Maybe we use players who have not fully recovered from knocks. I think Martin Allen tended to demand too much from injured players.
Jon83
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257328Post Jon83 »

I think it's more concerning re the number of injuries/the 'overall condition' of the players rather than where they occurred. There must be an issue otherwise we've simply been extremely unlucky in the last 18 months or so.

Stack mentioned that the players had to pay for the water they drunk during training/matches etc! Haha.

We need a couple of reinforcements and it's surprising that we havent signed ANYONE on loan albeit JS did say that he generally wasnt keen/didnt like bringing in loan players.
becbee
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257345Post becbee »

hoppy wrote:
jamiefrbees wrote:Surely it's the pitches that are to blame. He may well be a crap physio but you can't blame him for how the injuries come about in the first place.

A full investigation is needed. Agree there is evidently something very wrong
It would be interesting to know how many of our long-term injuries occurred in a home match.
You could never prove that. Players can pick up an injuries at any time - training, home / away match but play on. Apart from players stretchered off after a bad tackle or similar, who can be sure when the trigger point for the injury arose?

For example:

We've been told how Santos is out long term now due to playing on with an injury last season -it would be impossible to now pin that down to any particular match.

Barham was badly tackled at Dover, he was quickly subbed, minutes later he had an ice pack on his leg. Three days later he played 90 minutes at Bromley. He then was out for 10 days through injury. So did he pick up the injury at Bromley or, more likely, 90 minutes at Bromley doubtless aggrevated the injury he'd had at Dover?
NoMagRyan
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257348Post NoMagRyan »

I'm admittedly too lazy to do it but it would be interesting to see how our number of injuries compare with other clubs at our level, to see how big the problem really is.
Bee_Forever
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257349Post Bee_Forever »

As Becbee has alluded to if you are unable to rotate the squad then the type of fitness issues experienced by our young professionals are inevitable

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Jon83
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257353Post Jon83 »

becbee wrote:
hoppy wrote:
jamiefrbees wrote:Surely it's the pitches that are to blame. He may well be a crap physio but you can't blame him for how the injuries come about in the first place.

A full investigation is needed. Agree there is evidently something very wrong
It would be interesting to know how many of our long-term injuries occurred in a home match.
You could never prove that. Players can pick up an injuries at any time - training, home / away match but play on. Apart from players stretchered off after a bad tackle or similar, who can be sure when the trigger point for the injury arose?

For example:

We've been told how Santos is out long term now due to playing on with an injury last season -it would be impossible to now pin that down to any particular match.

Barham was badly tackled at Dover, he was quickly subbed, minutes later he had an ice pack on his leg. Three days later he played 90 minutes at Bromley. He then was out for 10 days through injury. So did he pick up the injury at Bromley or, more likely, 90 minutes at Bromley doubtless aggrevated the injury he'd had at Dover?
Barham was out with a groin strain (confirmed by himself) not an impact injury.
mcleod23
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257447Post mcleod23 »

So another week has passed and we still haven't brought anyone in. I really thought after Saturday Still would have made a move and done something (unless the injured 10 are returning). Starting to really piss me off. The lack of loans over the years is a joke when we're ideally placed in London for so many clubs.
becbee
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257449Post becbee »

Jon83 wrote:
becbee wrote:
hoppy wrote:
jamiefrbees wrote:Surely it's the pitches that are to blame. He may well be a crap physio but you can't blame him for how the injuries come about in the first place.

A full investigation is needed. Agree there is evidently something very wrong
It would be interesting to know how many of our long-term injuries occurred in a home match.
You could never prove that. Players can pick up an injuries at any time - training, home / away match but play on. Apart from players stretchered off after a bad tackle or similar, who can be sure when the trigger point for the injury arose?

For example:

We've been told how Santos is out long term now due to playing on with an injury last season -it would be impossible to now pin that down to any particular match.

Barham was badly tackled at Dover, he was quickly subbed, minutes later he had an ice pack on his leg. Three days later he played 90 minutes at Bromley. He then was out for 10 days through injury. So did he pick up the injury at Bromley or, more likely, 90 minutes at Bromley doubtless aggrevated the injury he'd had at Dover?
Barham was out with a groin strain (confirmed by himself) not an impact injury.
The point is that Barham played at Bromley when not fully fit. As did Santos last season. They are not the only two.
foxy
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257963Post foxy »

The curse strikes again!

Can we add "watering of the pitch at HT to our investigation please
jerroll
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257966Post jerroll »

foxy wrote:The curse strikes again!

Can we add "watering of the pitch at HT to our investigation please
indeed, too many players slipping over in the 2nd half!! just because we have the facilities we don't need to flaunt them!!
hoppy
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257975Post hoppy »

jerroll wrote:
foxy wrote:The curse strikes again!

Can we add "watering of the pitch at HT to our investigation please
indeed, too many players slipping over in the 2nd half!! just because we have the facilities we don't need to flaunt them!!
Exactly what I said last night. It's like we are showing off.
Also, only the central areas see the water, the touch line areas remain dry. It can't be easy playing on two different ground surfaces.
StephenM
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Re: Decision time

Post: # 257984Post StephenM »

hoppy wrote:
jerroll wrote:
foxy wrote:The curse strikes again!

Can we add "watering of the pitch at HT to our investigation please
indeed, too many players slipping over in the 2nd half!! just because we have the facilities we don't need to flaunt them!!
Exactly what I said last night. It's like we are showing off.
Also, only the central areas see the water, the touch line areas remain dry. It can't be easy playing on two different ground surfaces.
If they hadn't have watered the pitch we wouldn't have seen any of the slick, passing football in that second half. Havant deserved their point just for that!
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