Lack of keeper on the bench.

[barnet6newport1]

With no disrespect to any of the previous replies, but the goalkeeper is a highly specialised position.

The statistics may suggest that you might get caught out once or twice a season by not having a keeper on the bench, but when league positions are defined by small margins (Season 19/20 Barnet 7th, Stockport 8th), it makes a lot of sense to always have a keeper as one of the substitutes.

Yes, Azaze may not be as experienced or as confident as Laurie Walker, but better to have him goal for part of a game than use an outfield player who can 'keep' to a modest level and has nowhere near the 'day to day' experience and constant training practice for the position.

In the end this is professional football and doing it any other way is not only carries a risk but also looks unprofessional.

[barnet6newport1]

With no disrespect to any of the previous replies, the goalkeeper is a highly specialised position.

The statistics may suggest that you might get caught out once or twice a season by not having a keeper on the bench, but when league positions are defined by small margins (Season 19/20 Barnet 7th, Stockport 8th), it makes a lot of sense to always have a keeper as one of the substitutes.

Yes, Azaze may not be as experienced or as confident as Laurie Walker, but better to have him goal for part of a game than use an outfield player who can 'keep' to a modest level and has nowhere near the 'day to day' experience and constant training practice for the position.

In the end this is professional football and doing it any other way is not only carries a risk but also looks unprofessional.

[becbee]

I'm more concerned that we don't have a reserve keeper that DB trusts to start if anything happens to Laurie Walker after the transfer deadline (25th March if I remember correctly).

Exactly what I said.

[John Hunt]

I think the rules should be that you must have a designated reserve goalkeeper on the bench.

[TorME]

The first time I visited Barnet, we went to a Captial League match at Brisbane Road. Our goalie, Andy Pape got injured after 5 minutes our something, so the central defender Timothy Alexander had to go in goal. He did quite badly, so Geoff Cooper took over in the 2nd half, and he spent some of the time chatting with us who was behind his goal. I think we lost 2-9 or something

[Tuesds]

Maidenhead are in their 6th season at this level now and I don't think they've ever had a keeper on the bench for a league game. On average it's come back to bite them once a season or thereabouts.

They’ve had a keeper on the bench at least once in that time, because I recall that in an end-of-season game at Borehamwood a couple of years ago they brought one on as an outfield player and he scored! Interesting to hear that they don’t usually have one at all.

[TWS]

I seem to remember Paul Wilson going in goal after either Maik Taylor or Lee Harrison got sent off around 1997 or 1998 time at Underhill and everyone going mad when he made a pretty decent save.

[#Beebot]

In the end this is professional football and doing it any other way is not only carries a risk but also looks unprofessional.

It's not unprofessional, it's a calculated gamble when you only have 5 subs, which is less than any professional league in Europe nowadays. Will the number of points you gain by having sufficient outfield options on the bench outweigh the number you might lose through an injured or suspended goalkeeper? Many managers think it does.

[Bee_Forever]

I think the rules should be that you must have a designated reserve goalkeeper on the bench.

What if your designated reserve keeper could not catch a cold. Azaze was benched at Beaconsfield for goodness sake.

Re. Keepers you can get one on emergency loan if needs be and I don't think we are bound by the transfer window anyway so we can sign a walker replacement at any time.

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[#Beebot]

I think the rules should be that you must have a designated reserve goalkeeper on the bench.

What if your designated reserve keeper could not catch a cold. Azaze was benched at Beaconsfield for goodness sake.

Re. Keepers you can get one on emergency loan if needs be and I don't think we are bound by the transfer window anyway so we can sign a walker replacement at any time.

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There's a transfer deadline in March. Both Walker and Azaze would need to get injured for us to bring in a loan after that date

[John Hunt]

I think the rules should be that you must have a designated reserve goalkeeper on the bench.

What if your designated reserve keeper could not catch a cold. Azaze was benched at Beaconsfield for goodness sake.

Re. Keepers you can get one on emergency loan if needs be and I don't think we are bound by the transfer window anyway so we can sign a walker replacement at any time.

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Then get another one in.

[John Hunt]

I think the rules should be that you must have a designated reserve goalkeeper on the bench.

What if your designated reserve keeper could not catch a cold. Azaze was benched at Beaconsfield for goodness sake.

Re. Keepers you can get one on emergency loan if needs be and I don't think we are bound by the transfer window anyway so we can sign a walker replacement at any time.

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Then get another one in. An emergency loan is not allowed if we already have a goalie in but we choose not to use them is it?

[rudebwoyben]

I seem to remember Paul Wilson going in goal after either Maik Taylor or Lee Harrison got sent off around 1997 or 1998 time at Underhill and everyone going mad when he made a pretty decent save.

I remember Wilse going in goal after our goalie (Pape?) was sent off against Bournemouth in 93/94 and he did very well indeed!

[barnet6newport1]

In the end this is professional football and doing it any other way is not only carries a risk but also looks unprofessional.

It's not unprofessional, it's a calculated gamble when you only have 5 subs, which is less than any professional league in Europe nowadays. Will the number of points you gain by having sufficient outfield options on the bench outweigh the number you might lose through an injured or suspended goalkeeper? Many managers think it does.

Again with no disrespect, I cannot agree with you; particularly having trained goalkeepers myself. It is a highly specialised position and, as demonstrated in Capital League fixture at Leyton Orient described in this stream, carries a high risk, which could impact on goal difference in extreme cases.

Look at two recent incidents recently, which highlight the 'speciality' problem: -

1. Tim Pope against Liverpool, handling outside his box severely hampered Newcastle's chances of winning the 'League' Cup because of the lack of aquality replacement.
2. Martinez of Aston Villa going up for a corner at the end of the game against Arsenal. Staying back at the half way line and sending up an outfield player in his place up to the box would have been better. Knowing what I know about goalkeepers, I fully agree with Unai Emery; never send your keeper all the way up to the box when chasing a game at the end. If I were a manager (fortunately not) I would never allow it and I don't think that Martinez will be allowed to do it in future either.

Where I do agree with you is the issue of the number of allowed substitutes. Football has a dreadful habit of being inconsistent in this type of regard. As teams are only allowed 5, then restricting the outfield players to 4 makes sense to allow all options to be covered.

With all best wishes, we may have to agree to differ on this!

[Roy57]

Sending keepers up for a corner has worked, Allisson great header against West Brom I believe.
Which secured there champions league position.