Injured non league players would face wage cuts.

[hoofer2]

This is tough and cannot be allowed to happen but...

Think about the large number of "injured" players we have had recently - who have barely featured, take a wage, yet play a full season the next for other clubs

Santos and Walker were good examples. Incentive to get fit or out. Santos has been ever present at Bolton.

[DSM]

In the last 9 months TK has made progress in building bridges and unsurprisingly it feels like we have a united club and community coming back together again

I would love TK to come out early against everyone’s stereotype of him and reject this proposal. It would show the non league world that Barnet isn’t the same Barnet it was 2 years ago.

The truth is that TK can and has mitigated some of the risk by putting incentives in contracts based on appearances and wins, that is a much smarter way to deal with this. Also it’s likely to be overturned so why not come out early and gain some goodwill

[Tuesds]

Ricardo Santos suffered a cruciate ligament injury! He then worked incredibly hard to get fit again and was excellent when he returned. As a highly-rated player with the prospect of a football league move and with his injury past, he arguably had more reason than Sweeney, Alexander and Reynolds to quit the club prior to the play-offs. Instead he stuck with us and went on to be man of the match in our win at Yeovil.

Yes, we could have sacked Santos mid-injury under these new contracts, and that would have been awful for the player, bad for Barnet FC and bad for football. His situation is an illustration of why a race to the bottom for players’ conditions would be utterly unfair and extremely harmful not only to players but to clubs as well.

It may be counter-intuitive, but ensuring decent basic terms for players is in the interests of smaller clubs, setting a decent baseline which doesn’t mean the better players are even more heavily concentrated at the wealthiest clubs.

As for Walker, his situation seemed to me to be a symptom of the hollowed-out state of the club during that period. I don’t know all the ins and outs, but the guy was posting holiday snaps while he was supposed to be back in pre-season training. The situation that developed with him could surely have been dealt with under existing procedures/terms.

[Norfolkbee]

As likely as not, Barnet are not the only NL club that has been saddled with their share of "sicknotes" down the seasons. Maybe, as money becomes tighter, the owners/chairman have got together and decided it is time to take action, however hamfisted it looks. Chances are they are using it as a shot across the bows of any would-be freeloaders. In all probability, they don't want to take this action, but, nevertheless, it is there as a sanction.
Common sense should tell them that the should not cut a player adrift because he has ruptured a cruciate ligament on the pitch.

[DerekRocholl]

As likely as not, Barnet are not the only NL club that has been saddled with their share of "sicknotes" down the seasons. Maybe, as money becomes tighter, the owners/chairman have got together and decided it is time to take action, however hamfisted it looks. Chances are they are using it as a shot across the bows of any would-be freeloaders. In all probability, they don't want to take this action, but, nevertheless, it is there as a sanction.
Common sense should tell them that the should not cut a player adrift because he has ruptured a cruciate ligament on the pitch.

The vast majority of your so called “would be free loaders” and “sick notes” are people who have acquired injuries while in the employment of the owners of clubs. It is difficult to see this revolting new contract doing anything other than dissuading players from going full time and avoiding situations on the pitch which might risk injury. It’s a real shooting a hole in foot move for this level of the game.

[jerroll]

This is tough and cannot be allowed to happen but...

Think about the large number of "injured" players we have had recently - who have barely featured, take a wage, yet play a full season the next for other clubs

Santos and Walker were good examples. Incentive to get fit or out. Santos has been ever present at Bolton.

Santos had a serious knee injury made worse by playing on for us at the end of the 2017/18 season to try and keep us in the league. to put him in the same breath as that current Burton striker is harsh and unfair. When you come back from long term injuries it is inevitable to pick up muscle niggles etc. he was rested for games on artificial pitches which he doesn't come across in the football league plus its now 5 years since the serious injury and his knee will have settled down. He also risked his future by playing in the playoffs games in 2020 when technically a free agent.

[JWTBee]

Agree with all that has been said about Santos.He absolutely cannot be compared to Walker!

[Norfolkbee]

As likely as not, Barnet are not the only NL club that has been saddled with their share of "sicknotes" down the seasons. Maybe, as money becomes tighter, the owners/chairman have got together and decided it is time to take action, however hamfisted it looks. Chances are they are using it as a shot across the bows of any would-be freeloaders. In all probability, they don't want to take this action, but, nevertheless, it is there as a sanction.
Common sense should tell them that the should not cut a player adrift because he has ruptured a cruciate ligament on the pitch.

The vast majority of your so called “would be free loaders” and “sick notes” are people who have acquired injuries while in the employment of the owners of clubs. It is difficult to see this revolting new contract doing anything other than dissuading players from going full time and avoiding situations on the pitch which might risk injury. It’s a real shooting a hole in foot move for this level of the game.

I did say the whole thing has been handled in a ham fisted way and hope that common sense would prevail. If a player gets injured playing for a club then he has every right to be paid. It's the ones who decide they are injured or develop issues because they don't want to be at a club that are the problem. There aren't many but we all know they are out there.

[JWTBee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65089980 This is on the BBC National League webpage. Good for Deano!

[djhdjh]

As likely as not, Barnet are not the only NL club that has been saddled with their share of "sicknotes" down the seasons. Maybe, as money becomes tighter, the owners/chairman have got together and decided it is time to take action, however hamfisted it looks. Chances are they are using it as a shot across the bows of any would-be freeloaders. In all probability, they don't want to take this action, but, nevertheless, it is there as a sanction.
Common sense should tell them that the should not cut a player adrift because he has ruptured a cruciate ligament on the pitch.

The vast majority of your so called “would be free loaders” and “sick notes” are people who have acquired injuries while in the employment of the owners of clubs. It is difficult to see this revolting new contract doing anything other than dissuading players from going full time and avoiding situations on the pitch which might risk injury. It’s a real shooting a hole in foot move for this level of the game.

I did say the whole thing has been handled in a ham fisted way and hope that common sense would prevail. If a player gets injured playing for a club then he has every right to be paid. It's the ones who decide they are injured or develop issues because they don't want to be at a club that are the problem. There aren't many but we all know they are out there.

You quoted one extreme case where you would hope for "common sense" but other than that were implicitly supportive of the owners, albeit with some concerns about their communications strategy.

For someone who clearly knows a thing or two it strikes me as willfully naive to think that the owners don't really want to do this or would only use this as a threat or a last resort.

Well done Deano for his lack of equivocation.

[DerekRocholl]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65089980 This is on the BBC National League webpage. Good for Deano!

What a top man. Dean’s absolutely spot on and given that he knows his strikers the FA should listen, learn and do a U Turn.

[Norfolkbee]

"You quoted one extreme case where you would hope for "common sense" but other than that were implicitly supportive of the owners, albeit with some concerns about their communications strategy.
"For someone who clearly knows a thing or two it strikes me as willfully naive to think that the owners don't really want to do this or would only use this as a threat or last resort."

I don't think I've been "implicitly supportive" of anyone's actions. I merely suggested a possible motive for why the owners are trying to take this stance.
Of course, any player who gets injured on club "business" should be paid in full and I say that unequivocally.

[becbee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65351939

Thankfully now resolved positively.