Ronnie Edwards

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John Hunt
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 366220Post John Hunt »

West Ham borrowed against their inevitable Rice windfall. I think we would be wise not to or not to have done the same.
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tonbridgebee
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Post: # 366228Post tonbridgebee »

beew wrote: 04 Jan 2024, 21:27
tonbridgebee wrote: 04 Jan 2024, 20:00
beew wrote: 04 Jan 2024, 19:01 It does seem like Macanthony is desperate to sell him, and the more desperate he gets, the lower the price will go.
Not desperate at all, believes the player should be playing at a higher level, they have a figure and won't scrimp on it, hence why he didn't go in the summer.

He's under contract for 18 months still.
From what I've read theyre cash strapped. The stadium is owned by a company in administration and needs work carried out on it, they pay rent to use their academy as they don't own it and they've just reached a settlement with a company which they owed £14 million to avoid administration. Selling Edwards is a priority for them, and all clubs interested know it.

According to the last years accounts that were 3 months overdue, they made £1 million profit and paid Barry Fry £300k.
Only if you've read The Athletic article would you believe that. They're not cash strapped, manageable debt for a football club, if they were that desperate Ronnie would have gone on the summer for whatever price just to appease creditors plus one or two others.
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 366229Post tonbridgebee »

Norfolkbee wrote: 05 Jan 2024, 21:43
beew wrote: 04 Jan 2024, 21:27
tonbridgebee wrote: 04 Jan 2024, 20:00
beew wrote: 04 Jan 2024, 19:01 It does seem like Macanthony is desperate to sell him, and the more desperate he gets, the lower the price will go.
Not desperate at all, believes the player should be playing at a higher level, they have a figure and won't scrimp on it, hence why he didn't go in the summer.

He's under contract for 18 months still.
From what I've read theyre cash strapped. The stadium is owned by a company in administration and needs work carried out on it, they pay rent to use their academy as they don't own it and they've just reached a settlement with a company which they owed £14 million to avoid administration. Selling Edwards is a priority for them, and all clubs interested know it.

According to the last years accounts that were 3 months overdue, they made £1 million profit and paid Barry Fry £300k.
Let’s hope Posh don’t go under and Barnet finish at the rear line of a long line of creditors.
Clubs in worse states that Peterborough.
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 367506Post letchbee94 »

A week to go and as of yet still not sold.
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Post: # 367510Post hoofer2 »

letchbee94 wrote: 25 Jan 2024, 20:14 A week to go and as of yet still not sold.
Probably because Collinge is injured. I can see them trying to sign him. :wacko:
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Unfortunately we have potentially missed out on millions - the Premier league simply aren’t spending this window with FFP (and also having 3 weak teams meaning less risk of going down). Last summer was the one.

Fingers crossed for some last minute panic next week.
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Post: # 367514Post JayDeeBee »

PBBee wrote: 26 Jan 2024, 07:25 Unfortunately we have potentially missed out on millions - the Premier league simply aren’t spending this window with FFP (and also having 3 weak teams meaning less risk of going down). Last summer was the one.

Fingers crossed for some last minute panic next week.
I think the key interest in him at the moment is in Europe
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 367529Post Tuesds »

PBBee wrote: 26 Jan 2024, 07:25 Unfortunately we have potentially missed out on millions - the Premier league simply aren’t spending this window with FFP (and also having 3 weak teams meaning less risk of going down). Last summer was the one.

Fingers crossed for some last minute panic next week.
Yeah, fingers crossed - another factor is that with 18 months left on his contract his value will shrink if he doesn’t go in this window, because bidders will know Peterborough have to sell soon to ensure they get a fee at all.
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Post: # 367569Post Masuka »

The market isn’t very lively this year. Ronnie will go in the summer for much less, and that is a kick in the bawls for us!
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tonbridgebee
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 367580Post tonbridgebee »

Posh are after a loan back like Shots and Bromley have seen, so far those bidding have refused the request hence no sale.

Market is very quiet as said above, but still time for movement.

Anyway, it's bonus money for us whatever we get, remember it'll come in instalments not a full lump and no telling it would invested in the team, the football club is a loss maker.
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tonbridgebee wrote: 27 Jan 2024, 12:46 Posh are after a loan back like Shots and Bromley have seen, so far those bidding have refused the request hence no sale.

Market is very quiet as said above, but still time for movement.

Anyway, it's bonus money for us whatever we get, remember it'll come in instalments not a full lump and no telling it would invested in the team, the football club is a loss maker.
Very true, supporters need to realise at this level we cannot expect TK to keep putting money in to keep improving when attendances are one of the lowest in the league.
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 367802Post 11bee717 »

Roy57 wrote: 30 Jan 2024, 22:36
tonbridgebee wrote: 27 Jan 2024, 12:46 Posh are after a loan back like Shots and Bromley have seen, so far those bidding have refused the request hence no sale.

Market is very quiet as said above, but still time for movement.

Anyway, it's bonus money for us whatever we get, remember it'll come in instalments not a full lump and no telling it would invested in the team, the football club is a loss maker.
Very true, supporters need to realise at this level we cannot expect TK to keep putting money in to keep improving when attendances are one of the lowest in the league.
Of course but it goes back to the age old point of No Barnet fc = A significantly smaller fortune for Mr TK.
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Post: # 367803Post WestHampsteadBee »

Roy57 wrote: 30 Jan 2024, 22:36
tonbridgebee wrote: 27 Jan 2024, 12:46 Posh are after a loan back like Shots and Bromley have seen, so far those bidding have refused the request hence no sale.

Market is very quiet as said above, but still time for movement.

Anyway, it's bonus money for us whatever we get, remember it'll come in instalments not a full lump and no telling it would invested in the team, the football club is a loss maker.
Very true, supporters need to realise at this level we cannot expect TK to keep putting money in to keep improving when attendances are one of the lowest in the league.
Your last few posts have been asking for new signings. How do we do this with no money?
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

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Roy57 wrote: 30 Jan 2024, 22:36
tonbridgebee wrote: 27 Jan 2024, 12:46 Posh are after a loan back like Shots and Bromley have seen, so far those bidding have refused the request hence no sale.

Market is very quiet as said above, but still time for movement.

Anyway, it's bonus money for us whatever we get, remember it'll come in instalments not a full lump and no telling it would invested in the team, the football club is a loss maker.
Very true, supporters need to realise at this level we cannot expect TK to keep putting money in to keep improving when attendances are one of the lowest in the league.
I think there are two sides to this.

TKs actions have directly (and significantly, in my opinion) contributed to those low attendances - obviously the change in stadium location, low off-pitch standards (ticketing, catering), poor marketing / badly managed promotions, high ticket prices, relegation from the EFL, a long period of drift (including the terrible covid seasons) etc. So part of me thinks that him having to keep putting money in is just a case of 'you reap what you sow'.

There's also the fact that the other Hive-linked businesses (TIC, banqueting etc) are presumably profitable, and only really exist because of The Hive / Barnet FC. So it's not unreasonable for some of that money to be used for the football side of things, even if the club itself is loss making.

All of that is before you even get into the debate about money banked from the sale of Underhill, potential profit from the eventual sale of The Hive etc.

But, on the other side of the coin, I do feel like the backing DB has received this season is acceptable for a club of our size. If you take out the 'big' clubs and bankrolled teams, we're probably not out of sync with the typical ambitious National League outfit.

I remember thinking that we had around 22 good players at the start of the season, and we've added throughout the campaign, so it's not like Brennan hasn't been able to bring in strength in depth. Could we do with new recruits? Absolutely. Could TK possibly be getting deals over the line quicker? I suspect so. But when people are saying "pull your finger out and get it done TK", I'm not sure it's hugely unreasonable that we have to clear space in the wage budget first, and drive a hard bargain to maximise the money available.

I do think it's worth noting that Martin Allen only brought in a handful of new signings during the 14/15 campaign (Gash, Hunt, Clifford, Mensah) and carried a pretty small squad that year – so it's not always about constantly bringing in new players, it can be about just getting your summer recruitment right. Not to knock DB's recruitment, which has been excellent overall!
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 367813Post jerroll »

i wonder if someone like Tshimanga is fit or not, hasn't played since sub appearance on 29/12 - if he is fit and not getting picked it would be in Posh's interest to recall him and send him somewhere else and we could fit the bill based on our special relationship with Posh! if he isn't fit other loan avenues are likely to be the best option assuming Nicke hasn't made a Lazarus like recovery from saturday's Injury!
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