Oldham (Hive) The Latic Acid Test Match Thread

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BarneyBee wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 14:28
I agree with this and also the impact John Dreyer may have had tactically.

In DB's interview post match he said he isn't going to change anything tactically and for me this is the big issue here. We clearly need to change. As others have written, we've been sussed now. All you need to do against us is play on the break/counter with a ball over the top and it should result in a goal. End of. We like possession but do very little with it, which means it is pointless unless we are winning the game at that point. Passing sideways and backwards is nice to watch but frustrating when we need to score. Add to this the fact that one or two of our players are liable to lose the ball at some point which is a trigger for the aforementioned counter attack, and we have a problem.

As others have said, we've been outscoring our opponents but surely everyone here can see that we have been leaking too many goals all season. If we end up getting promoted and play like this in L2 next year, we will be battered pretty much every week by teams who will win the ball back and counter against us. We aren't great at defending in non-counter attack situations either...

So in summary, I think Deano has to re-think his stubborn belief that there is only one way of playing. I have no coaching badges and have never played professional or ameteur football but even I know that. We need a plan B, C and D and need to consider these when setting up for games and also mid-game.

Deano said that his subs last night had a negative impact, and that is worrying too. Subs should improve the situation and bringing on Senior is not an improvement in my opinion - he gives the ball away even more than the players already on the pitch!

Anyway, as has been mentioned, we are still 2nd and Deano has massive credit in the bank so let's hope he considers a tactical reshuffle and we get back to winning ways against the scum.... COYB!
Good post.

But with all due respect - you only see a limited number of matches due to your Sabbath and you admit to having no playing experience or coaching badges. Surely our manager should understand what's going on on the pitch better than you do. Yet you can make excellent appraisals whilst he's getting it wrong. There is something very wrong here.

I don't know what he expected of our subs yesterday. We were already losing by the time any of them came on and the other players were all on a downward slope. Short of the likes of Harry Kane maybe, no subs stood a chance.

Deano has many attributes but even he must realise that he is as stubborn as a mule and isn't prepared to listen to what he considers to be criticism. All we can do is hope that he starts to see what the rest of us are seeing.
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Re: Oldham (Hive) The Latic Acid Test Match Thread

Post: # 363848Post 11bee717 »

becbee wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 16:11
BarneyBee wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 14:28
I agree with this and also the impact John Dreyer may have had tactically.

In DB's interview post match he said he isn't going to change anything tactically and for me this is the big issue here. We clearly need to change. As others have written, we've been sussed now. All you need to do against us is play on the break/counter with a ball over the top and it should result in a goal. End of. We like possession but do very little with it, which means it is pointless unless we are winning the game at that point. Passing sideways and backwards is nice to watch but frustrating when we need to score. Add to this the fact that one or two of our players are liable to lose the ball at some point which is a trigger for the aforementioned counter attack, and we have a problem.

As others have said, we've been outscoring our opponents but surely everyone here can see that we have been leaking too many goals all season. If we end up getting promoted and play like this in L2 next year, we will be battered pretty much every week by teams who will win the ball back and counter against us. We aren't great at defending in non-counter attack situations either...

So in summary, I think Deano has to re-think his stubborn belief that there is only one way of playing. I have no coaching badges and have never played professional or ameteur football but even I know that. We need a plan B, C and D and need to consider these when setting up for games and also mid-game.

Deano said that his subs last night had a negative impact, and that is worrying too. Subs should improve the situation and bringing on Senior is not an improvement in my opinion - he gives the ball away even more than the players already on the pitch!

Anyway, as has been mentioned, we are still 2nd and Deano has massive credit in the bank so let's hope he considers a tactical reshuffle and we get back to winning ways against the scum.... COYB!
Good post.

But with all due respect - you only see a limited number of matches due to your Sabbath and you admit to having no playing experience or coaching badges. Surely our manager should understand what's going on on the pitch better than you do. Yet you can make excellent appraisals whilst he's getting it wrong. There is something very wrong here.

I don't know what he expected of our subs yesterday. We were already losing by the time any of them came on and the other players were all on a downward slope. Short of the likes of Harry Kane maybe, no subs stood a chance.

Deano has many attributes but even he must realise that he is as stubborn as a mule and isn't prepared to listen to what he considers to be criticism. All we can do is hope that he starts to see what the rest of us are seeing.
Did you watch the post match interview?
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Re: Oldham (Hive) The Latic Acid Test Match Thread

Post: # 363849Post john dockers shorts »

becbee wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 16:11
BarneyBee wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 14:28
I agree with this and also the impact John Dreyer may have had tactically.

In DB's interview post match he said he isn't going to change anything tactically and for me this is the big issue here. We clearly need to change. As others have written, we've been sussed now. All you need to do against us is play on the break/counter with a ball over the top and it should result in a goal. End of. We like possession but do very little with it, which means it is pointless unless we are winning the game at that point. Passing sideways and backwards is nice to watch but frustrating when we need to score. Add to this the fact that one or two of our players are liable to lose the ball at some point which is a trigger for the aforementioned counter attack, and we have a problem.

As others have said, we've been outscoring our opponents but surely everyone here can see that we have been leaking too many goals all season. If we end up getting promoted and play like this in L2 next year, we will be battered pretty much every week by teams who will win the ball back and counter against us. We aren't great at defending in non-counter attack situations either...

So in summary, I think Deano has to re-think his stubborn belief that there is only one way of playing. I have no coaching badges and have never played professional or ameteur football but even I know that. We need a plan B, C and D and need to consider these when setting up for games and also mid-game.

Deano said that his subs last night had a negative impact, and that is worrying too. Subs should improve the situation and bringing on Senior is not an improvement in my opinion - he gives the ball away even more than the players already on the pitch!

Anyway, as has been mentioned, we are still 2nd and Deano has massive credit in the bank so let's hope he considers a tactical reshuffle and we get back to winning ways against the scum.... COYB!
Good post.

But with all due respect - you only see a limited number of matches due to your Sabbath and you admit to having no playing experience or coaching badges. Surely our manager should understand what's going on on the pitch better than you do. Yet you can make excellent appraisals whilst he's getting it wrong. There is something very wrong here.

I don't know what he expected of our subs yesterday. We were already losing by the time any of them came on and the other players were all on a downward slope. Short of the likes of Harry Kane maybe, no subs stood a chance.

Deano has many attributes but even he must realise that he is as stubborn as a mule and isn't prepared to listen to what he considers to be criticism. All we can do is hope that he starts to see what the rest of us are seeing.
When our subs came on most notably Senior I think it was reasonable enough to expect him to beat his man and deliver a ball. Or just deliver a cross. He was useless and has been everyime he comes on. To say they had no chance is nonsense
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Post: # 363851Post barnetboy1 »

We over-played the ball in attack in the most indecisive way I have seen in ages.
1 man defending, with his back to goal whilst playing the high line.
DB obviously missed the Spurs - Chelsea game the other day...same outcome.
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Post: # 363854Post letchbee94 »

I wonder who would have gone in goal had Walker of been sent off? Maybe Potter? Does not matter anyway.

How many times now has the cross bar denied now this season.

Last 3 games certainly not been good but I do believe in this group of players and we will get a win sooner rather than later.
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Post: # 363856Post becbee »

john dockers shorts wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 18:24
When our subs came on most notably Senior I think it was reasonable enough to expect him to beat his man and deliver a ball. Or just deliver a cross. He was useless and has been everyime he comes on. To say they had no chance is nonsense
However well our 3 subs had played the other 8 players wouldn't have improved so overall they didn't stand much chance.

I wouldn't claim that Senior is great but he assisted on both goals at Chesterfield but I seem to recall you said you'd left before then.
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Post: # 363859Post EastBarnetFan »

With the greatest of respect, Senior is not of the standard we desire.

Watched him enough times to pass comment, and he’s very fragile, unable to beat his man, find the right position, and even make basic passes.

A month or so ago some of the backroom staff came over and actually sat in the legends stand to coach him on positioning after he came on.

The Chesterfield assists were an anomaly.
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Post: # 363861Post john dockers shorts »

becbee wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 22:10
john dockers shorts wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 18:24
When our subs came on most notably Senior I think it was reasonable enough to expect him to beat his man and deliver a ball. Or just deliver a cross. He was useless and has been everyime he comes on. To say they had no chance is nonsense
However well our 3 subs had played the other 8 players wouldn't have improved so overall they didn't stand much chance.

I wouldn't claim that Senior is great but he assisted on both goals at Chesterfield but I seem to recall you said you'd left before then.
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EastBarnetFan wrote:With the greatest of respect, Senior is not of the standard we desire.

Watched him enough times to pass comment, and he’s very fragile, unable to beat his man, find the right position, and even make basic passes.

A month or so ago some of the backroom staff came over and actually sat in the legends stand to coach him on positioning after he came on.

The Chesterfield assists were an anomaly.
I said in the thread on transfers the other day that we do need a better pace option than Senior. There are many clubs in this division with better out and out wingers than him
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Post: # 363901Post simples169 »

our play was much too slow, too deliberate, nice to look at going sideways and backwards but lack the cutting edge in front of goal, no shooting, no through passes to the front men, we have gone back to the long ball over the top. we have quick men up front so we need to use them, but must cut out the silly badpassing to the opposition which leaves us on the back foot and gives them a chance on goal.
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Post: # 363905Post John Hunt »

letchbee94 wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 20:49 I wonder who would have gone in goal had Walker of been sent off? Maybe Potter? Does not matter anyway.

How many times now has the cross bar denied now this season.

Last 3 games certainly not been good but I do believe in this group of players and we will get a win sooner rather than later.
It would have been treble jeopardy had he been sent off.

I would always have a keeper on the bench.

In fact if it were in my gift i would make it compulsory. Say a goalie was concussed. A team may be dangerously more likely to give him a bit more time to recover if there was only an outfield player available to replace him.

However i do have fond memories of outfield players going in goal. Hoddle v Man Utd , Roberts v Celtic , Beardsley v West Ham etc but football has moved on from that.
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Johnny Margerrison at Southburied Road wasn't fond. Andy Lomas got crocked. Marge got spread!
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Post: # 363919Post hoofer2 »

I recall when Gary Abbott had to take the gloves at home FA Cup tie vs Leatherhead. Ended 4-3 - we may even had been 4 nil up with Abbott grabbing at least 2 of the goals.

Think this was also the game when poor Steve Humphries knee went right in front of me near old clubhouse. It was horrendous and without doubt my worst ever football moment....

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I recall when Gary Abbott had to take the gloves at home FA Cup tie vs Leatherhead. Ended 4-3 - we may even had been 4 nil up with Abbott grabbing at least 2 of the goals.

Think this was also the game when poor Steve Humphries knee went right in front of me near old clubhouse. It was horrendous and without doubt my worst ever football moment.... Ambulance took an age to come on to pitch. It was parked up near the Clock.

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Post: # 363929Post timbee »

John Hunt wrote: 25 Nov 2023, 08:31
letchbee94 wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 20:49 I wonder who would have gone in goal had Walker of been sent off? Maybe Potter? Does not matter anyway.

How many times now has the cross bar denied now this season.

Last 3 games certainly not been good but I do believe in this group of players and we will get a win sooner rather than later.
It would have been treble jeopardy had he been sent off.

I would always have a keeper on the bench.

In fact if it were in my gift i would make it compulsory. Say a goalie was concussed. A team may be dangerously more likely to give him a bit more time to recover if there was only an outfield player available to replace him.

However i do have fond memories of outfield players going in goal. Hoddle v Man Utd , Roberts v Celtic , Beardsley v West Ham etc but football has moved on from that.
Whilst I’m not a fan of having the large number of subs that the premiership use I wonder if there is case for having X subs on the bench plus a recognised goalkeeper? This would allow for cover across the field for tactical or injury related substitutions but allow for the one position which is clearly rather specialist to be looked after. Similar perhaps to rugby union where (I think) you have to have recognised front row forwards in the scrum.
Of course if your keeper is sent off then you still have to decide which outfielder to sacrifice.
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