Ronnie Edwards

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DerekRocholl
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368648Post DerekRocholl »

barnetpete wrote: 09 Feb 2024, 08:49 Not only could the 85%'s not complete the ground, they couldn't even design it properly in the first place!
Shouldn’t we park this jibe until we have a ground that is more than 75% complete ?

IMO there are enough reasons to enjoy a rivalry with Wealdstone without continually demonstrating a lack of understanding of why they have such disregard for the bona fides of the person who acquired the site in which they had invested supporter raised funds and hoped would be their permanent home.
tonbridgebee
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368695Post tonbridgebee »

DerekRocholl wrote: 11 Feb 2024, 09:32
barnetpete wrote: 09 Feb 2024, 08:49 Not only could the 85%'s not complete the ground, they couldn't even design it properly in the first place!
Shouldn’t we park this jibe until we have a ground that is more than 75% complete ?

IMO there are enough reasons to enjoy a rivalry with Wealdstone without continually demonstrating a lack of understanding of why they have such disregard for the bona fides of the person who acquired the site in which they had invested supporter raised funds and hoped would be their permanent home.
Oh there's so much to unpick in there, but we'll leave that alone for a few months......
WillesdenBee
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368696Post WillesdenBee »

tonbridgebee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 00:27
DerekRocholl wrote: 11 Feb 2024, 09:32
barnetpete wrote: 09 Feb 2024, 08:49 Not only could the 85%'s not complete the ground, they couldn't even design it properly in the first place!
Shouldn’t we park this jibe until we have a ground that is more than 75% complete ?

IMO there are enough reasons to enjoy a rivalry with Wealdstone without continually demonstrating a lack of understanding of why they have such disregard for the bona fides of the person who acquired the site in which they had invested supporter raised funds and hoped would be their permanent home.
Oh there's so much to unpick in there, but we'll leave that alone for a few months......
Exactly. Their disregard is based on their own lies and misinformation! I hope the truth does get released publicly eventually
John Hunt
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368697Post John Hunt »

DerekRocholl wrote: 11 Feb 2024, 09:32
barnetpete wrote: 09 Feb 2024, 08:49 Not only could the 85%'s not complete the ground, they couldn't even design it properly in the first place!
Shouldn’t we park this jibe until we have a ground that is more than 75% complete ?

IMO there are enough reasons to enjoy a rivalry with Wealdstone without continually demonstrating a lack of understanding of why they have such disregard for the bona fides of the person who acquired the site in which they had invested supporter raised funds and hoped would be their permanent home.
With you Derek. It is tiresome.

However it with never happen.
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John Hunt
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368698Post John Hunt »

Though if they are struggling to get games on due to postponements we could offer them the use of one of our two stadiums to fulfil their fixtures.
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368699Post hoppy »

John Hunt wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 09:10 Though if they are struggling to get games on due to postponements we could offer them the use of one of our two stadiums to fulfil their fixtures.
Three if you count the one with the golf stand.
DerekRocholl
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368701Post DerekRocholl »

WillesdenBee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 07:24
tonbridgebee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 00:27
DerekRocholl wrote: 11 Feb 2024, 09:32
barnetpete wrote: 09 Feb 2024, 08:49 Not only could the 85%'s not complete the ground, they couldn't even design it properly in the first place!
Shouldn’t we park this jibe until we have a ground that is more than 75% complete ?

IMO there are enough reasons to enjoy a rivalry with Wealdstone without continually demonstrating a lack of understanding of why they have such disregard for the bona fides of the person who acquired the site in which they had invested supporter raised funds and hoped would be their permanent home.
Oh there's so much to unpick in there, but we'll leave that alone for a few months......
Exactly. Their disregard is based on their own lies and misinformation! I hope the truth does get released publicly eventually
The truth is that they had a realistic expectation of being the non league club from the local community using the stadium at the Hive that was envisaged when Kleanthous was awarded the lease to PEPF. The terms Kleanthous sought to impose made it an unsustainable option for them. Ditto his treatment of London Broncos

If this situation had happened to us or any other club we would be pissed off at the lack of solidarity from fellow supporters.

I find the antics of some of Wealdstone's supporters deplorable but as a whole I find it impossible to join in the pathetic bating of the decades of campaigning effort and fund raising they put into trying to secure a future for their club in their home area.
DerekRocholl
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368702Post DerekRocholl »

tonbridgebee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 00:27
DerekRocholl wrote: 11 Feb 2024, 09:32
barnetpete wrote: 09 Feb 2024, 08:49 Not only could the 85%'s not complete the ground, they couldn't even design it properly in the first place!
Shouldn’t we park this jibe until we have a ground that is more than 75% complete ?

IMO there are enough reasons to enjoy a rivalry with Wealdstone without continually demonstrating a lack of understanding of why they have such disregard for the bona fides of the person who acquired the site in which they had invested supporter raised funds and hoped would be their permanent home.
Oh there's so much to unpick in there, but we'll leave that alone for a few months......
I look forward to your in depth interview with Nick DuGuard.
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

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DerekRocholl wrote:
WillesdenBee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 07:24
tonbridgebee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 00:27
DerekRocholl wrote: 11 Feb 2024, 09:32
barnetpete wrote: 09 Feb 2024, 08:49 Not only could the 85%'s not complete the ground, they couldn't even design it properly in the first place!
Shouldn’t we park this jibe until we have a ground that is more than 75% complete ?

IMO there are enough reasons to enjoy a rivalry with Wealdstone without continually demonstrating a lack of understanding of why they have such disregard for the bona fides of the person who acquired the site in which they had invested supporter raised funds and hoped would be their permanent home.
Oh there's so much to unpick in there, but we'll leave that alone for a few months......
Exactly. Their disregard is based on their own lies and misinformation! I hope the truth does get released publicly eventually
The truth is that they had a realistic expectation of being the non league club from the local community using the stadium at the Hive that was envisaged when Kleanthous was awarded the lease to PEPF. The terms Kleanthous sought to impose made it an unsustainable option for them. Ditto his treatment of London Broncos

If this situation had happened to us or any other club we would be pissed off at the lack of solidarity from fellow supporters.

I find the antics of some of Wealdstone's supporters deplorable but as a whole I find it impossible to join in the pathetic bating of the decades of campaigning effort and fund raising they put into trying to secure a future for their club in their home area.
I think the bigger question is over their initial investment into PEPF. Were they keeping tabs on where all the money was going? A huge chunk of it was lost.
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368710Post WillesdenBee »

#Beebot wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 12:20
DerekRocholl wrote:
WillesdenBee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 07:24
tonbridgebee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 00:27
DerekRocholl wrote: 11 Feb 2024, 09:32

Shouldn’t we park this jibe until we have a ground that is more than 75% complete ?

IMO there are enough reasons to enjoy a rivalry with Wealdstone without continually demonstrating a lack of understanding of why they have such disregard for the bona fides of the person who acquired the site in which they had invested supporter raised funds and hoped would be their permanent home.
Oh there's so much to unpick in there, but we'll leave that alone for a few months......
Exactly. Their disregard is based on their own lies and misinformation! I hope the truth does get released publicly eventually
The truth is that they had a realistic expectation of being the non league club from the local community using the stadium at the Hive that was envisaged when Kleanthous was awarded the lease to PEPF. The terms Kleanthous sought to impose made it an unsustainable option for them. Ditto his treatment of London Broncos

If this situation had happened to us or any other club we would be pissed off at the lack of solidarity from fellow supporters.

I find the antics of some of Wealdstone's supporters deplorable but as a whole I find it impossible to join in the pathetic bating of the decades of campaigning effort and fund raising they put into trying to secure a future for their club in their home area.
I think the bigger question is over their initial investment into PEPF. Were they keeping tabs on where all the money was going? A huge chunk of it was lost.
This! Somehow £14 million went missing and no one figured out why.
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368711Post Sam_BFC »

For me the important questions are :

1. Regardless of the reasons Wealdstone lost control of the site, was there any condition that they be tenants under reasonable terms as part of any deal that rewarded the site to someone else ?

2. If so, why did that not happen ?
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368712Post StephenM »

Wealdstone always built the stadium with the idea of Barnet taking it on, otherwise it wouldnt have been called The Hive. The clue was there all along.
Jdk103
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368713Post Jdk103 »

This escalated quickly
DerekRocholl
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368714Post DerekRocholl »

WillesdenBee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 12:22
#Beebot wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 12:20
DerekRocholl wrote:
WillesdenBee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 07:24
tonbridgebee wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 00:27

Oh there's so much to unpick in there, but we'll leave that alone for a few months......
Exactly. Their disregard is based on their own lies and misinformation! I hope the truth does get released publicly eventually
The truth is that they had a realistic expectation of being the non league club from the local community using the stadium at the Hive that was envisaged when Kleanthous was awarded the lease to PEPF. The terms Kleanthous sought to impose made it an unsustainable option for them. Ditto his treatment of London Broncos

If this situation had happened to us or any other club we would be pissed off at the lack of solidarity from fellow supporters.

I find the antics of some of Wealdstone's supporters deplorable but as a whole I find it impossible to join in the pathetic bating of the decades of campaigning effort and fund raising they put into trying to secure a future for their club in their home area.
I think the bigger question is over their initial investment into PEPF. Were they keeping tabs on where all the money was going? A huge chunk of it was lost.
This! Somehow £14 million went missing and no one figured out why.
Where do you get your “information” from ? The Wealdstone project ended when the banks withdrew funding from Wealdstone investment partner Sports Investment Group. The entire scheme wasn’t destined to cost more than £6.5m and Wealdstone supporters have only ever claimed to have raised £300k as their contribution to what was spent.
DerekRocholl
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Re: Ronnie Edwards

Post: # 368715Post DerekRocholl »

Sam_BFC wrote: 12 Feb 2024, 12:35 For me the important questions are :

1. Regardless of the reasons Wealdstone lost control of the site, was there any condition that they be tenants under reasonable terms as part of any deal that rewarded the site to someone else ?

2. If so, why did that not happen ?
Here is the Harrow Council document concerning the Football First proposal which led to Kleanthous getting the right to develop PEPF as Barnet’s training ground and the home ground of London Bees and Wealdstone. Harrow council chipped in £750k of the development cost and had the option of paying a further £1m to allow another local team (probably Edgware) to be based there too.

It didn’t happen because Wealdstone like Broncos later couldnt agree to a deal where the only revenues they were able to gain from using the stadium were tickets sales (this is an over simplification but not far away from the reality)

https://moderngov.harrow.gov.uk/documen ... s.doc?CT=2
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