Flares and incidents

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moortownbee
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368273Post moortownbee »

jerroll wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 21:00
John Hunt wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 20:55
ninestein wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 20:10 More presence at pitch-side would be the first suggestion. If it's a fixture with potential to flare up in the away end, simply have more bodies in hi-vis stationed at pitch level. It may look heavy-handed, but it's also a deterrent. We have a low perimeter around the pitch, so it's a vulnerable point if someone is feeling brave to have a go like yesterday. Potential fines for crowd trouble vs the cost of extra bodies around the pitch? Even though it was Wealdstone's fans causing the problems, the negative press surrounding a fixture at our stadium is also harmful. We're trying to grow our fanbase by reaching out to the next generation, not scare them off. Prevention is better than cure. Having said that, if their goal hadn't gone in, this story probably wouldn't have happened.

When all is said and done, people should know the difference between right and wrong. Throwing flares, running onto the pitch in that manner, and causing damage to the facilities under the stand are plainly wrong. No excuses. Prosecute and move on. But could we prepare our resources for the same fixture better? Maybe. Will we have the same fixture next season? Hopefully not...
i wonder whether there would have been more trouble of a different sort had they not have equalised.
Also it would make sense for away supporters to use the blocks nearer the Hive stand rather than legends, keeps more of a distance between them and our fans.

Obviously The Hive Stand now seats players families, families in general, disabled supporters and reporters.
So why stick them nearer them?
beew
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368275Post beew »

moortownbee wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 21:04
jerroll wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 21:00
John Hunt wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 20:55
ninestein wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 20:10 More presence at pitch-side would be the first suggestion. If it's a fixture with potential to flare up in the away end, simply have more bodies in hi-vis stationed at pitch level. It may look heavy-handed, but it's also a deterrent. We have a low perimeter around the pitch, so it's a vulnerable point if someone is feeling brave to have a go like yesterday. Potential fines for crowd trouble vs the cost of extra bodies around the pitch? Even though it was Wealdstone's fans causing the problems, the negative press surrounding a fixture at our stadium is also harmful. We're trying to grow our fanbase by reaching out to the next generation, not scare them off. Prevention is better than cure. Having said that, if their goal hadn't gone in, this story probably wouldn't have happened.

When all is said and done, people should know the difference between right and wrong. Throwing flares, running onto the pitch in that manner, and causing damage to the facilities under the stand are plainly wrong. No excuses. Prosecute and move on. But could we prepare our resources for the same fixture better? Maybe. Will we have the same fixture next season? Hopefully not...
i wonder whether there would have been more trouble of a different sort had they not have equalised.
Also it would make sense for away supporters to use the blocks nearer the Hive stand rather than legends, keeps more of a distance between them and our fans.

Obviously The Hive Stand now seats players families, families in general, disabled supporters and reporters.
So why stick them nearer them?
Also next to the tunnel where players and officials come out. Southend showed us why its not a good idea to do that.
jerroll
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368278Post jerroll »

moortownbee wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 21:04
jerroll wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 21:00
John Hunt wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 20:55
ninestein wrote: 04 Feb 2024, 20:10 More presence at pitch-side would be the first suggestion. If it's a fixture with potential to flare up in the away end, simply have more bodies in hi-vis stationed at pitch level. It may look heavy-handed, but it's also a deterrent. We have a low perimeter around the pitch, so it's a vulnerable point if someone is feeling brave to have a go like yesterday. Potential fines for crowd trouble vs the cost of extra bodies around the pitch? Even though it was Wealdstone's fans causing the problems, the negative press surrounding a fixture at our stadium is also harmful. We're trying to grow our fanbase by reaching out to the next generation, not scare them off. Prevention is better than cure. Having said that, if their goal hadn't gone in, this story probably wouldn't have happened.

When all is said and done, people should know the difference between right and wrong. Throwing flares, running onto the pitch in that manner, and causing damage to the facilities under the stand are plainly wrong. No excuses. Prosecute and move on. But could we prepare our resources for the same fixture better? Maybe. Will we have the same fixture next season? Hopefully not...
i wonder whether there would have been more trouble of a different sort had they not have equalised.
Also it would make sense for away supporters to use the blocks nearer the Hive stand rather than legends, keeps more of a distance between them and our fans.

Obviously The Hive Stand now seats players families, families in general, disabled supporters and reporters.
So why stick them nearer them?
They are less likely to goad the away fans than our youngsters who sit near the away fans, even if they just use the central block it creates more of a gap than there is at the moment. our fans aren't saints either as certain incidents have shown this year.
Roy57
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368292Post Roy57 »

Does anybody know the damage done by away fans as in Barnet statement, was it the same as few years ago were it was the toilets.
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368306Post John Hunt »

The comments of some of their supporters on X are truly horrendous.

There is one person on there who threatened to do the same to me as was done to the steward using the word that rhymes with my surname. I reported the tweet but i suspect nothing will be done.

Also one criticising the hopeless Indian stewards who were only there to collect their £25, and suggesting that we employ some "proper men". Again reported but i suspect nothing will be done.
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beew
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368307Post beew »

John Hunt wrote: 05 Feb 2024, 11:08 The comments of some of their supporters on X are truly horrendous.

There is one person on there who threatened to do the same to me as was done to the steward using the word that rhymes with my surname. I reported the tweet but i suspect nothing will be done.

Also one criticising the hopeless Indian stewards who were only there to collect their £25, and suggesting that we employ some "proper men". Again reported but i suspect nothing will be done.
Twitter is a faceless platform for many, to provoke and taunt others, I find it amusing, at the time some spend making stupid points.

There was one,who said in response to a mum, who had her frightened 6 year old son with her.

"Why were you bringing your 6 year old to a derby? not excusing a couple idiots' behaviour but that's terrible parenting on your behalf"

Says it all, in one sentence.
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368308Post Tuesds »

beew wrote: 05 Feb 2024, 11:27
John Hunt wrote: 05 Feb 2024, 11:08 The comments of some of their supporters on X are truly horrendous.

There is one person on there who threatened to do the same to me as was done to the steward using the word that rhymes with my surname. I reported the tweet but i suspect nothing will be done.

Also one criticising the hopeless Indian stewards who were only there to collect their £25, and suggesting that we employ some "proper men". Again reported but i suspect nothing will be done.
Twitter is a faceless platform for many, to provoke and taunt others, I find it amusing, at the time some spend making stupid points.

There was one,who said in response to a mum, who had her frightened 6 year old son with her.

"Why were you bringing your 6 year old to a derby? not excusing a couple idiots' behaviour but that's terrible parenting on your behalf"

Says it all, in one sentence.
Sorry to have doubted you beew, but I had to look this up to see it with my own eyes and see any context etc. and of course sure enough, this was said in earnest to a mum who had her six year-old with her. Jesus wept.

Some of these people need to get a sense of perspective and get a bloody life. It’s a football match. Entertainment on a Saturday. The idea that parents must keep children away because the big boys are liable to get rough is the most utterly pathetic thing I’ve read in a long time.
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368309Post rudebwoyben »

I saw that reply on Twitter too. Flabbergasted was my initial response.
Roy57
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368310Post Roy57 »

Let's hope Twitter or now X actually do something and ban these morons from there site, as nobody wants to view the comments of brainless idiots, but I won't hold my breath that this will be done, still not heard what damage was done to the ground but club statement states yet again it runs into £1000s, I would hope that Wealdstone will or should be covering the cost of this damage, was led to believe they did so few years back. I know it will be at a cost but in front of the away fans the fence needs to be raised by at least 50% as i did see even a female police officer step over the railings as if it was not there. Still amazed at viewing footage for umpteen time how the police just stood there by the fence watching as our steward was attacked, it took a courageous Barnet supporter to run on drag him off the steward, and once this was done he made his way back off the pitch, I hope the club can find out who he is and send him a letter thanking him when other stewards and police just stood there watching this happen.
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368312Post rudebwoyben »

Roy, have you seen the state of Twitter now under Apartheid Emeralds?!
I’ve reported multiple accounts for the most egregious racist hatred and usually I’m informed that the post I’ve reported did not violate any rules.
I don’t think any accounts are going to be suspended for football violence related posts!
Roy57
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368313Post Roy57 »

rudebwoyben wrote: 05 Feb 2024, 12:58 Roy, have you seen the state of Twitter now under Apartheid Emeralds?!
I’ve reported multiple accounts for the most egregious racist hatred and usually I’m informed that the post I’ve reported did not violate any rules.
I don’t think any accounts are going to be suspended for football violence related posts!
Sad state of affairs, but very true, cheers
Roy57
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368314Post Roy57 »

When the Barnet fan fan onto the pitch to drag the Wealdstone fan of the steward, Wealdstone player Barker there number 3 tried to stop our supporter from dragging there supporter of the steward, there were at least three of there players who didn't appear to be in any rush to drag the moron of the steward, they really are some club, been checking Youtube and there is footage of this happening going back 10 years, so not a one off.
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368315Post hoofer2 »

Why would anyone be bothered to tweet and give oxygen to these morons? If no one replied to them, they'd have to resort to infighting instead!!

There are many Wealdstone fans who do not behave that way... from where I sit some of the Amber Battalion seem to aspire to be like them / Bromley Burberry massive!
beew
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368316Post beew »

Roy57 wrote: 05 Feb 2024, 13:27 When the Barnet fan fan onto the pitch to drag the Wealdstone fan of the steward, Wealdstone player Barker there number 3 tried to stop our supporter from dragging there supporter of the steward, there were at least three of there players who didn't appear to be in any rush to drag the moron of the steward, they really are some club, been checking Youtube and there is footage of this happening going back 10 years, so not a one off.
Footballers play football for a living, it's their job and for many a sole source of income, to provide for their families. You can't expect a player to assist in the arrest of one of there own fans, as it could turn the fanbase against them,. It's s also a breach of the laws of the game to get involved with pitch invaders and if the situation had escalated, the ref might of sent that player off.
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Re: Flares and incidents

Post: # 368317Post hoofer2 »

Roy57 wrote: 05 Feb 2024, 13:27 When the Barnet fan fan onto the pitch to drag the Wealdstone fan of the steward, Wealdstone player Barker there number 3 tried to stop our supporter from dragging there supporter of the steward, there were at least three of there players who didn't appear to be in any rush to drag the moron of the steward, they really are some club, been checking Youtube and there is footage of this happening going back 10 years, so not a one off.
How can a player know if the motivation of a pitch invader is to attack them or not. Fair play to the fan for helping steward - but could have been something else.
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