Transfers 2024/25

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WestHampsteadBee
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377697Post WestHampsteadBee »

Never believe rumours guys! If we wanted him, it wouldve been done weeks/months ago. Doesn't fit our style, hardly played for 2 years. Not scored any really for numerous years and his salary would be higher than any player we currently have. Not worth it.
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hoppy
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377698Post hoppy »

14th September Bees v Braintree Town.
I would fully expect John Akinde to get a great reception from us Bees fans.
Jaydeebee
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377699Post Jaydeebee »

WillesdenBee wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 13:14 Never believe rumours guys! If we wanted him, it wouldve been done weeks/months ago. Doesn't fit our style, hardly played for 2 years. Not scored any really for numerous years and his salary would be higher than any player we currently have. Not worth it.
In fairness, no one could locate any rumours anyway :laugh:
Norfolkbee
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377701Post Norfolkbee »

This is where Akinde goes on to score 20+ goals and shoots Braintree into the play-offs after coming back to haunt us twice. 🤣
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377702Post rudebwoyben »

I doubt it.
jerroll
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377703Post jerroll »

Norfolkbee wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 14:06 This is where Akinde goes on to score 20+ goals and shoots Braintree into the play-offs after coming back to haunt us twice. 🤣
Akinde & Effiong will be a physical opposition if nothing else!
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377704Post pletch99 »

Norfolkbee wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 14:06 This is where Akinde goes on to score 20+ goals and shoots Braintree into the play-offs after coming back to haunt us twice. 🤣
I'd say coming back to haunt us is more likely than shooting Braintree into the playoffs.
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377711Post Norfolkbee »

jerroll wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 14:22
Norfolkbee wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 14:06 This is where Akinde goes on to score 20+ goals and shoots Braintree into the play-offs after coming back to haunt us twice. 🤣
Akinde & Effiong will be a physical opposition if nothing else!
We need a player like this - only 10 years younger!
Norfolkbee
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377712Post Norfolkbee »

BeeArmy22 wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 10:59
Norfolkbee wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 09:47
BeeArmy22 wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 09:29
BarnetJim wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 06:24 If there's anyone out there who says no to big john returning needs their head checked. Got us out this division, experience at this level. He might be 35 and people saying he's slowed right down... what I see of him at colchester last season he don't look any different to when he was at us if I'm honest. A strong powerful man who knows where the back of the net is, great man an player to have around the club and great back up to nicki, you can't expect nickie to play every game all season it's to much. He needs a rest every now and then, we have good delivery of the ball with the players we now have. Bringing big john on like 70th min for example imagine tired legs in the opposition and you.bring big john on.., will cause all sorts of trouble. I think he will be a perfect fit as he won't be playing every game because we have nicki but to have as back up for this season I think it would be a great addition.
Dean wants us to press teams, especially in the latter stages of games when other teams tire and we’re hopefully better conditioned than them. You’re not gonna get Akinde pressing how Dean wants at his age.
I'm not advocating that we necessarily re-sign Big John, but we really need a player, who can do exactly as BarnetJim says. It is all very well talking about us pressing teams in the latter stages, but what happens when teams do it to us?
You need that outlet to take the pressure off the defence, hold the ball up and prevent the opposition from having a free run at returning it into the danger area. A player like this would also allow the midfield time to get on the front foot.
Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion but in mine, football isn’t the same game it was 5 years ago. The game is all about trends as managers try to find ways to increase the performance of their team by small margins to give their team an edge. In this current cycle of football, the big man number 9 who is used as an out ball from the goalkeeper doesn’t exist. In 22/23, we came 5th playing frenetic back to front football without a lot of control, which Dean alluded to in the Beespod interview recently. Last season we improved massively and added 12 points onto our previous total, simply through holding onto the ball for longer and giving our attacks more chance of succeeding.
The calibre of player we can sign is not going to be able to hold the ball up from a long kick successfully more than let’s say 20% of the time. That means out of our 5 long kicks, 4 are being headed by the opposition, and of those 4 at a push we might win the 2nd ball twice on average. So realistic best case scenario is of those 5 long balls, we have the ball higher up the pitch 2/3 times. The other 2/3 times we’ve given the ball straight back to the opposition to then come and attack at us and the cycle repeats.

I don’t like it because it’s boring but the managers that are successful at the moment are all about reducing risk. If your team plays out from the back, your team can retain possession and go from back to front 5/5 times. If you go long, you’re relying on things you can’t control happening every time. It’s a trade off that the top managers don’t want to take.

I wouldn’t mind having Akinde back fwiw. He offers something different as you say, but if having him in the team means we change up our style and go long, like we did with Harry Smith, he will be a net negative to us.
So what is the solution when the adopted style of play isn't working? Solihull Moors found us out and we were left floundering. It stands to reason that you need a Plan B to fall back on when things aren't going to plan. It is called adaptability and that is the mark of a really good team - being able to mix things up as required.
SisterJosephine
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377713Post SisterJosephine »

Norfolkbee wrote:
BeeArmy22 wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 10:59
Norfolkbee wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 09:47
BeeArmy22 wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 09:29
BarnetJim wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 06:24 If there's anyone out there who says no to big john returning needs their head checked. Got us out this division, experience at this level. He might be 35 and people saying he's slowed right down... what I see of him at colchester last season he don't look any different to when he was at us if I'm honest. A strong powerful man who knows where the back of the net is, great man an player to have around the club and great back up to nicki, you can't expect nickie to play every game all season it's to much. He needs a rest every now and then, we have good delivery of the ball with the players we now have. Bringing big john on like 70th min for example imagine tired legs in the opposition and you.bring big john on.., will cause all sorts of trouble. I think he will be a perfect fit as he won't be playing every game because we have nicki but to have as back up for this season I think it would be a great addition.
Dean wants us to press teams, especially in the latter stages of games when other teams tire and we’re hopefully better conditioned than them. You’re not gonna get Akinde pressing how Dean wants at his age.
I'm not advocating that we necessarily re-sign Big John, but we really need a player, who can do exactly as BarnetJim says. It is all very well talking about us pressing teams in the latter stages, but what happens when teams do it to us?
You need that outlet to take the pressure off the defence, hold the ball up and prevent the opposition from having a free run at returning it into the danger area. A player like this would also allow the midfield time to get on the front foot.
Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion but in mine, football isn’t the same game it was 5 years ago. The game is all about trends as managers try to find ways to increase the performance of their team by small margins to give their team an edge. In this current cycle of football, the big man number 9 who is used as an out ball from the goalkeeper doesn’t exist. In 22/23, we came 5th playing frenetic back to front football without a lot of control, which Dean alluded to in the Beespod interview recently. Last season we improved massively and added 12 points onto our previous total, simply through holding onto the ball for longer and giving our attacks more chance of succeeding.
The calibre of player we can sign is not going to be able to hold the ball up from a long kick successfully more than let’s say 20% of the time. That means out of our 5 long kicks, 4 are being headed by the opposition, and of those 4 at a push we might win the 2nd ball twice on average. So realistic best case scenario is of those 5 long balls, we have the ball higher up the pitch 2/3 times. The other 2/3 times we’ve given the ball straight back to the opposition to then come and attack at us and the cycle repeats.

I don’t like it because it’s boring but the managers that are successful at the moment are all about reducing risk. If your team plays out from the back, your team can retain possession and go from back to front 5/5 times. If you go long, you’re relying on things you can’t control happening every time. It’s a trade off that the top managers don’t want to take.

I wouldn’t mind having Akinde back fwiw. He offers something different as you say, but if having him in the team means we change up our style and go long, like we did with Harry Smith, he will be a net negative to us.
So what is the solution when the adopted style of play isn't working? Solihull Moors found us out and we were left floundering. It stands to reason that you need a Plan B to fall back on when things aren't going to plan. It is called adaptability and that is the mark of a really good team - being able to mix things up as required.
Did Solihull find us out though? On the podcast, Dean said if teams set up to isolate Hartigan we channel everything though Brunt, but he didn’t start through injury. We also had the first chance of the game, and let two very sloppy goals in.

I am still trying to work out if Solihull did do a job on us, or we just bottled it and played our worst game of the season (probably a bit of both). Either way, Solihull were ruthless in exploiting our errors and fair play to them


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Norfolkbee
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377714Post Norfolkbee »

FredBee wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 16:44
Norfolkbee wrote:
BeeArmy22 wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 10:59
Norfolkbee wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 09:47
BeeArmy22 wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 09:29

Dean wants us to press teams, especially in the latter stages of games when other teams tire and we’re hopefully better conditioned than them. You’re not gonna get Akinde pressing how Dean wants at his age.
I'm not advocating that we necessarily re-sign Big John, but we really need a player, who can do exactly as BarnetJim says. It is all very well talking about us pressing teams in the latter stages, but what happens when teams do it to us?
You need that outlet to take the pressure off the defence, hold the ball up and prevent the opposition from having a free run at returning it into the danger area. A player like this would also allow the midfield time to get on the front foot.
Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion but in mine, football isn’t the same game it was 5 years ago. The game is all about trends as managers try to find ways to increase the performance of their team by small margins to give their team an edge. In this current cycle of football, the big man number 9 who is used as an out ball from the goalkeeper doesn’t exist. In 22/23, we came 5th playing frenetic back to front football without a lot of control, which Dean alluded to in the Beespod interview recently. Last season we improved massively and added 12 points onto our previous total, simply through holding onto the ball for longer and giving our attacks more chance of succeeding.
The calibre of player we can sign is not going to be able to hold the ball up from a long kick successfully more than let’s say 20% of the time. That means out of our 5 long kicks, 4 are being headed by the opposition, and of those 4 at a push we might win the 2nd ball twice on average. So realistic best case scenario is of those 5 long balls, we have the ball higher up the pitch 2/3 times. The other 2/3 times we’ve given the ball straight back to the opposition to then come and attack at us and the cycle repeats.

I don’t like it because it’s boring but the managers that are successful at the moment are all about reducing risk. If your team plays out from the back, your team can retain possession and go from back to front 5/5 times. If you go long, you’re relying on things you can’t control happening every time. It’s a trade off that the top managers don’t want to take.

I wouldn’t mind having Akinde back fwiw. He offers something different as you say, but if having him in the team means we change up our style and go long, like we did with Harry Smith, he will be a net negative to us.
So what is the solution when the adopted style of play isn't working? Solihull Moors found us out and we were left floundering. It stands to reason that you need a Plan B to fall back on when things aren't going to plan. It is called adaptability and that is the mark of a really good team - being able to mix things up as required.
Did Solihull find us out though? On the podcast, Dean said if teams set up to isolate Hartigan we channel everything though Brunt, but he didn’t start through injury. We also had the first chance of the game, and let two very sloppy goals in.

I am still trying to work out if Solihull did do a job on us, or we just bottled it and played our worst game of the season (probably a bit of both). Either way, Solihull were ruthless in exploiting our errors and fair play to them


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To be fair, I think Moors have a very shrewd manager who was able to identify small weakness and exploit them ruthlessly. It probably helped him (and not us) that we played them just a couple of weeks before.
Deano's remarks also underline the need for a plan B. If your midfield is being choked off, it is surely time to go more direct.
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WestHampsteadBee
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377715Post WestHampsteadBee »

Samuel Collyer (seems to be in the know with lots of clubs) said the below on Twitter. Potentially couldve been us given the 'rumours'. Wonder if he failed it and we dodged a bullet (like Callum powell).

https://x.com/SamuelCol1115/status/1816461252643725822
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becbee
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377717Post becbee »

We will probably never know.
IMO JA has made the right decision. Likely to get more game time at Braintree and less to live up to. I hope he's successful for them except when they play us.
SisterJosephine
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Re: Transfers 2024/25

Post: # 377718Post SisterJosephine »

Norfolkbee wrote:
FredBee wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 16:44
Norfolkbee wrote:
BeeArmy22 wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 10:59
Norfolkbee wrote: 25 Jul 2024, 09:47 I'm not advocating that we necessarily re-sign Big John, but we really need a player, who can do exactly as BarnetJim says. It is all very well talking about us pressing teams in the latter stages, but what happens when teams do it to us?
You need that outlet to take the pressure off the defence, hold the ball up and prevent the opposition from having a free run at returning it into the danger area. A player like this would also allow the midfield time to get on the front foot.
Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion but in mine, football isn’t the same game it was 5 years ago. The game is all about trends as managers try to find ways to increase the performance of their team by small margins to give their team an edge. In this current cycle of football, the big man number 9 who is used as an out ball from the goalkeeper doesn’t exist. In 22/23, we came 5th playing frenetic back to front football without a lot of control, which Dean alluded to in the Beespod interview recently. Last season we improved massively and added 12 points onto our previous total, simply through holding onto the ball for longer and giving our attacks more chance of succeeding.
The calibre of player we can sign is not going to be able to hold the ball up from a long kick successfully more than let’s say 20% of the time. That means out of our 5 long kicks, 4 are being headed by the opposition, and of those 4 at a push we might win the 2nd ball twice on average. So realistic best case scenario is of those 5 long balls, we have the ball higher up the pitch 2/3 times. The other 2/3 times we’ve given the ball straight back to the opposition to then come and attack at us and the cycle repeats.

I don’t like it because it’s boring but the managers that are successful at the moment are all about reducing risk. If your team plays out from the back, your team can retain possession and go from back to front 5/5 times. If you go long, you’re relying on things you can’t control happening every time. It’s a trade off that the top managers don’t want to take.

I wouldn’t mind having Akinde back fwiw. He offers something different as you say, but if having him in the team means we change up our style and go long, like we did with Harry Smith, he will be a net negative to us.
So what is the solution when the adopted style of play isn't working? Solihull Moors found us out and we were left floundering. It stands to reason that you need a Plan B to fall back on when things aren't going to plan. It is called adaptability and that is the mark of a really good team - being able to mix things up as required.
Did Solihull find us out though? On the podcast, Dean said if teams set up to isolate Hartigan we channel everything though Brunt, but he didn’t start through injury. We also had the first chance of the game, and let two very sloppy goals in.

I am still trying to work out if Solihull did do a job on us, or we just bottled it and played our worst game of the season (probably a bit of both). Either way, Solihull were ruthless in exploiting our errors and fair play to them


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To be fair, I think Moors have a very shrewd manager who was able to identify small weakness and exploit them ruthlessly. It probably helped him (and not us) that we played them just a couple of weeks before.
Deano's remarks also underline the need for a plan B. If your midfield is being choked off, it is surely time to go more direct.
Andy Whing was very impressive last season, squeezing the maximum out of the resources available to him. The Solihull matches this season will be rather intense I guess..

Will certainly be interesting to see how we set up with Hartigan, and when we need to go more direct. I am guessing Tavares may be used as Hartigan’s minder. Whatever happens, makes for a fascinating season.


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