Bring Barnet Back - campaign thread

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Post: # 376955Post beew »

As I said before, now is the time to get firm commitments from those candidates standing. We must have data, on fans who live in Chipping Barnet and are eligible to vote, as a collective block vote of these people would likely have an impact into who wins the ward. Last time out it was a 2 horse race with Teresa Villiers winning by 1200 votes. The boundary changes coming into effect in the Frien Barnet area will probably weaken Labour but this ward will be on a knife edge.
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I’m pretty sure it won’t be, given the probable swing from 2019!
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Post: # 377006Post iainb »

Newsletter with the candidate interviews linked below:

https://us22.campaign-archive.com/?u=5c ... 805dfc75d3

Edit: Apologies, updated newsletter addresses a few typos and an c&p error with Dan’s second answer. Removed short summary paragraph at the end about other candidates.
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Post: # 377007Post Lord Bee »

Including fascists in this discussion is out of order in my opinion.
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Post: # 377008Post DerekRocholl »

iainb wrote: 30 Jun 2024, 09:35 Newsletter with the candidate interviews linked below:

https://mailchi.mp/bringbarnetback/election-special
Nice work Iain.

Fascinated by the argument about green spaces and green belt with regard to the construction of a football stadium on this site. The last time I saw it the site in question was largely a closed off disused cricket field wedged between a football training centre and a new school, both of which were developed on land which is classified as “green belt”.

Unless something has changed it provided almost nothing in terms of public amenity and probably less environmental benefit than the old pitch at Underhill stadium.
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Post: # 377011Post thebeekeeper »

DerekRocholl wrote: 30 Jun 2024, 11:20
iainb wrote: 30 Jun 2024, 09:35 Newsletter with the candidate interviews linked below:

https://mailchi.mp/bringbarnetback/election-special
Nice work Iain.

Fascinated by the argument about green spaces and green belt with regard to the construction of a football stadium on this site. The last time I saw it the site in question was largely a closed off disused cricket field wedged between a football training centre and a new school, both of which were developed on land which is classified as “green belt”.

Unless something has changed it provided almost nothing in terms of public amenity and probably less environmental benefit than the old pitch at Underhill stadium.
Agreed, great effort putting this together, very informative.

I think you make a good argument Derek, and I suspect the club / WSP may suggest something along those lines. I reckon there's a convincing case to be made, though obviously none of the candidates are going to acknowledge that pre-election. It'll be interesting to see what progress gets made once we know the lay of the land politically after Thursday.
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Post: # 377013Post wearebees »

As stated in newsletter, there is a lot of talk in the industry at the moment about "Grey Belt" land (poor quality land/Wasteland, as opposed to scenic spots which can house wildlife). This is something Labour proposed building on as a step for more homes. Sadly, my reading of it is more to do with residential uses and I think a politician could argue South Underhill is somewhere in between Green and Grey belt (despite there being far more better green belt land in Barnet), but hopefully we could argue differently. British Property Federation argue Green Belt should be about quality and not quantity, something I've always believed when you look at some of what is classified as green belt. But sadly I think those in the industry would apply that more towards farmland/wasteland/brownfield sites. I know we're all set on South Underhill, but perhaps if there is any brownfield in Barnet we would now have more argument for a ground on such land than in the past, especially if Labour get in.
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Post: # 377015Post John Hunt »

Did we get any response from the other candidates even belatedly that we can add here?

I am interested in what the independent candidate has to say.

There are too much extreme politics at play in this election and without sounding cliched it is very difficult to trust anyone at the moment.
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Post: # 377020Post hoofer2 »

The classification of Greyfield really annoys me. Just because the land has not been landscaped with flowers, concrete paths and manicured grass ( dewilding ) or managed. Scrubland is an essential wildlife habitat and provides the green corridors required for wildlife to roam.
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Post: # 377153Post adher36 »

Just checked on here expecting lots of comments but there hasn't been any.

Am I missing something but surely the news of a new Chipping Barnet Labour MP (who's already provided a positive attitude towards the idea,) under a large majority Labour government who haven't ruled out building on so called green belt land, along with a Labour Mayor of London, can only be considered incredibly positive in respect of the possibility of a successful planning application for a new stadium being built on South Underhill?
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Post: # 377154Post ninestein »

I guess we'll have to see what gets included in the first King's Speech. If refinements to the planning laws on green belt are on the agenda, hopefully they will go before parliament sooner rather than later. With a huge majority, it's bound to sail through.

Deep down, I reckon TK may have seen last night's result potentially on the cards and maybe the political stars will have aligned for us as best as they possibly could from a planning perspective.
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Post: # 377155Post thebeekeeper »

ninestein wrote: 05 Jul 2024, 17:07 I guess we'll have to see what gets included in the first King's Speech. If refinements to the planning laws on green belt are on the agenda, hopefully they will go before parliament sooner rather than later. With a huge majority, it's bound to sail through.

Deep down, I reckon TK may have seen last night's result potentially on the cards and maybe the political stars will have aligned for us as best as they possibly could from a planning perspective.
The King's speech is on 17th July and you'd certainly think that TK / WSP will be watching on with interest. In fact, I doubt we'll hear too much by way of an update until then, or take significant steps in the planning process. You would hope that any loosening of planning restrictions would work in our favour. The current political situation (Labour across the board in Barnet) has definitely boosted my confidence somewhat - this feels like the best chance we've ever had to get a new stadium over the line.
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Post: # 377158Post Tuesds »

Remarkably there is now not a single EFL ground in a Conservative-held constituency. Even more remarkably, we are not only in a Tory seat but the second safest Tory seat in the country, in Harrow East.

I find all this talk of green belt and planning strange, when the land is owned by the council and we don’t seem to have them on board as landowners. Feels like the bigger issue. Unless we have that landowner agreement, any planning matters are irrelevant.
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Post: # 377159Post ninestein »

If the council stand to gain some sort of ongoing financial benefit from the site, whilch ultimately benefits the whole community, they will consider a deal. Money talks. It's proving what that benefit is...
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Post: # 377160Post beew »

ninestein wrote: 06 Jul 2024, 08:54 If the council stand to gain some sort of ongoing financial benefit from the site, whilch ultimately benefits the whole community, they will consider a deal. Money talks. It's proving what that benefit is...
Well, we are proposing to provide a free development, similar to the one that Barnet have proposed and costed at £14 million. Seems like a good deal to me.
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