Sarfend (Hive) The Currie On Regardless Match Thread

[pgbee]

We went for years with fans moaning about how TK wouldn't open his wallet. Then when Covid struck, he and the Dover Chairman showed financial caution whilst the other 22 clubs carried on as though nothing had happened. Barnet and Dover finished bottom. So I don't think any of us would accuse TK of being mad when it comes to spending money. As rudewoyben says, we have money at the moment, also clearly TK trusts DB to spend wisely.

And look where Dover are now, IPL.....

[Jimbokav1971]

Morning Barnet, I agree that you were the better team yesterday, and we paid the price of being too cautious in the first half, and then, after we equalised, the pen in the second half totally took the wind out of our attacking sails. Our performance showed that we are still a work in progress and more newbies are required if we are to challenge for honours. This will happen, but the Consortium have had to spend a fortune getting rid of Rat Martin, and Roots Hall needs a lot of remedial work.

On that display you look like you will have a good season and be up there when it counts. To your poster that reckons we will be relegation candidates, I assume you are joking, or a crap judge of teams. I will look forward to our return game, as both teams will have settled sides by then. On the subject of crowds, size alone is not a judge of a team's ability to win, if it were we would be champions already Good luck until we meet again. Now on to Dagenham on Monday complete with the Daggers Ultras in our North Stand, a scary bunch, average age 13yrs!

Pretty balanced view.

Must admit the momentum was hugely with you when you scored and the pen really was a game-changer.

Good luck for the rest of the season. Sure you will be in the mix for the playoffs at the end of the season. Fingers crossed we won't be involved.

[Jimbokav1971]

Fair play to Barnet

I thought we were second best all afternoon and your passing, especially in the final third was vastly superior.

No complaints on the result but having got back into the game we self destructed.

I'm convinced Barnet will be right up there and with the amount of money going into your squad it's no surprise.

I'd be worried if I were your chairman. Surely such a big budget is not sustainable with such limited home crowds.

Good luck for the season.

Hopefully by the time you come to roots Hall we will have reinforced as yesterday showed how small our squad is.

Our Chairman has had his detractors, but he's a clever cookie.

Our budget has increased this season, (no doubt about it), but we still won't be the biggest spenders in the league, (or even close). It's interesting that you mention our low attendance numbers, (but far more politely than some of your fellow fans), but I should point out that gate receipts and additional matchday sales are not the only income available to clubs and you might have noticed that we have 1 or 2 pitches for hire within our complex, as well as a gym. The training complex itself is used for filming purposes as well as for International and domestic sides playing at Wembley and of course we also use the site as a wedding venue.

Technically*, all this income is generated by the football club so it's a % of this rather than just our gate receipts that will be used to generate our salary budget when and if we're in the EFL.

Is it sustainable?

A1. Absolutely yes with the current model.
A2. No of course not if you only include ticket sales, (but that's not how this works0.

[erichitchmo]

Here’s the view from our man at the ground…

http://www.downhillsecondhalf.co.uk/Art ... icleID=335

[thebeekeeper]

Fair play to Barnet

I thought we were second best all afternoon and your passing, especially in the final third was vastly superior.

No complaints on the result but having got back into the game we self destructed.

I'm convinced Barnet will be right up there and with the amount of money going into your squad it's no surprise.

I'd be worried if I were your chairman. Surely such a big budget is not sustainable with such limited home crowds.

Good luck for the season.

Hopefully by the time you come to roots Hall we will have reinforced as yesterday showed how small our squad is.

Our Chairman has had his detractors, but he's a clever cookie.

Our budget has increased this season, (no doubt about it), but we still won't be the biggest spenders in the league, (or even close). It's interesting that you mention our low attendance numbers, (but far more politely than some of your fellow fans), but I should point out that gate receipts and additional matchday sales are not the only income available to clubs and you might have noticed that we have 1 or 2 pitches for hire within our complex, as well as a gym. The training complex itself is used for filming purposes as well as for International and domestic sides playing at Wembley and of course we also use the site as a wedding venue.

Technically*, all this income is generated by the football club so it's a % of this rather than just our gate receipts that will be used to generate our salary budget when and if we're in the EFL.

Is it sustainable?

A1. Absolutely yes with the current model.
A2. No of course not if you only include ticket sales, (but that's not how this works0.

Spot on, worth factoring in that TIC Heath is probably quite a lucrative business, too.

There does seem to be a growing perception that we're 'big-spending Barnet' this year, but I think people are conflating having a large squad with spending big on wages.

My suspicion is that - while the budget is clearly significantly bigger this season - nobody in the squad is on ridiculous money. Certainly not in the category of some of Forest Green or Oldham's players, and I would hazard a guess that even someone like Josh Walker at Southend is being paid more than our squad members.

Hopefully a return to Barnet will be the final piece of the puzzle, where we can add improved attendances to the other revenue streams you mention.

[wearebees]

A shout out for Hartigan as captain. Wasn't sure about it but so impressed at the way he was quietly marshalling everyone at the end.

[jamiefrbees]

I do enjoy the carefully disguised sour grapes from the Southend visitors.

Last time it was 'we will thrash you when we have a striker available'. Ironically, this time it was us without a striker and Cardwell was available and... Still the same result. A Barnet win.

Now it's 'let's see how things go at Roots Hall when both sides have a settled side'

Likewise, the pinning our quality on alleged overspending by TK...

Nope. Just quality and we'll-judged recruitment mixed in with having a little extra in the coffers this season from sell-ons for previous shrewd signings.

[Reckless]

I would say 99% of away oponents guesting on this or any forum cannot leave a praise message without a tiny taste of sour grapes. Wonder if this poster leaves forum messages pre and post game for every opponent?

[magiovinium_bee]

How ‘The Bard of Roots Hall’ may have appraised the game yesterday……


Christ we’ve got a lot of fans!
And your support is shit!
Coz we’re the mighty Shrimpers
And we really think we’re it!

Never mind we lost to you,
For the fourth time on the spin,
We’ve got shed loads more fans than you,
That must be worth the win?

Coz football is a numbers game,
And we totally filled our end,
As on the pitch we’re on the wane,
On fans it should depend!

We love to spout this distorted view,
It’s just our club ego,
To have so many more fans than you
But lose is such a blow!

[CrawleyBee]

How ‘The Bard of Roots Hall’ may have appraised the game yesterday……


Christ we’ve got a lot of fans!
And your support is shit!
Coz we’re the mighty Shrimpers
And we really think we’re it!

Never mind we lost to you,
For the fourth time on the spin,
We’ve got shed loads more fans than you,
That must be worth the win?

Coz football is a numbers game,
And we totally filled our end,
As on the pitch we’re on the wane,
On fans it should depend!

We love to spout this distorted view,
It’s just our club ego,
To have so many more fans than you
But lose is such a blow!

Love it and sums it up perfectly!

[CrawleyBee]

I would say 99% of away oponents guesting on this or any forum cannot leave a praise message without a tiny taste of sour grapes. Wonder if this poster leaves forum messages pre and post game for every opponent?

You just know he was smashing those keys on the keyboard with steam coming out his ears too! Absolutely nothing against Southend, but for some reason take so much pleasure in beating them. They definitely have ex championship billy big bollocks syndrome, gotta stay humble in this league. We will quietly go about our business.

[Jimbokav1971]

Fair play to Barnet

I thought we were second best all afternoon and your passing, especially in the final third was vastly superior.

No complaints on the result but having got back into the game we self destructed.

I'm convinced Barnet will be right up there and with the amount of money going into your squad it's no surprise.

I'd be worried if I were your chairman. Surely such a big budget is not sustainable with such limited home crowds.

Good luck for the season.

Hopefully by the time you come to roots Hall we will have reinforced as yesterday showed how small our squad is.

Our Chairman has had his detractors, but he's a clever cookie.

Our budget has increased this season, (no doubt about it), but we still won't be the biggest spenders in the league, (or even close). It's interesting that you mention our low attendance numbers, (but far more politely than some of your fellow fans), but I should point out that gate receipts and additional matchday sales are not the only income available to clubs and you might have noticed that we have 1 or 2 pitches for hire within our complex, as well as a gym. The training complex itself is used for filming purposes as well as for International and domestic sides playing at Wembley and of course we also use the site as a wedding venue.

Technically*, all this income is generated by the football club so it's a % of this rather than just our gate receipts that will be used to generate our salary budget when and if we're in the EFL.

Is it sustainable?

A1. Absolutely yes with the current model.
A2. No of course not if you only include ticket sales, (but that's not how this works0.

Spot on, worth factoring in that TIC Heath is probably quite a lucrative business, too.

There does seem to be a growing perception that we're 'big-spending Barnet' this year, but I think people are conflating having a large squad with spending big on wages.

My suspicion is that - while the budget is clearly significantly bigger this season - nobody in the squad is on ridiculous money. Certainly not in the category of some of Forest Green or Oldham's players, and I would hazard a guess that even someone like Josh Walker at Southend is being paid more than our squad members.

Hopefully a return to Barnet will be the final piece of the puzzle, where we can add improved attendances to the other revenue streams you mention.

I couldn't be bothered to go into as much detail as TIC Health for a Sarfend supporter who was unlikely to even know who TIC Health were.

I think you are spot on that a big squad doesn't equate to a big squad wage total, and I suspect that some players have signed with far more than money in mind.

We will probably never know unless DB let's slip, but I suspect that Nartey might be on a ridiculously low wage and the attraction for him to sign for us isn't the wage we're paying him, but the location, style of football and the chance to play in a winning team, get promoted back to the EFL and put himself in the show window where a move, (or at the very least a significantly improved contract with us), will surely come.

It's the same with Harts. There is no way we're paying him the same as other clubs offered him. No way at all. But he seems like a player who needs to be loved, feels the love, knows he's an integral part of the team and has been made captain. Personally I can think of many better skippers in the squad, but if he wants to be captain then no problem at all. Some of our leaders will lead no matter who is captain so this is win/win all over.

Shelton has already been promoted from this league twice, (2x playoffs), and I think yesterday we saw what he was all about. Only a squad player at Salford & moving from Hartlepool to Oldham was probably a mistake, but it was a mistake that many have made because Oldham are a big club. Again, it wouldn't surprise me if he was offered much more to play elesewhere.

Glover is another one. He's not going to be overly bothered about what he's getting paid now. He hasn't joined us for a payday. He's joined us to get into the EFL and at 23 years old, a promotion now to the EFL could propel him to completely different levels.

Part of it is that we're a club on the up and our facilities obviously play a part, but more and more when these players sign, what they mention is DB and that the deal has been a long time in the pipeline. Whatever we think about his management style, players like him and in the main once they have played for him once, want to play for him again. They know that he and we are going places and want to be on board.

For the 1st time in a long time we see some long-term strategy to our recruitment, in the signings of Rye, Grimwood, Wilkinson & Matyar. For the 1st time in.... well ever I think, w've built a squad not just to get promoted in there here and now, but also with 1 eye on the future. In days gone by were were well-set with a number of players who would go on to play at higher levels, but we never supported them with top level players who could form the basis of a squad around our young talent. Can you imagine howthe likes of Jack Taylor, EMC, Ronnie Edwards, Jamal Lowe, Matty Stevens et al would have done with a squad built by DB. His recruitment is on another level to that seen at this club before, and it proves that above all else, recruitment is what matters most. If we can just keep DB for a few years then honestly the sky is the limit.

[EastBarnetFan]

You’ve got to give it to TK. The Hive Empire seems to be finally paying dividends for us, allowing for DB’s visionary recruitment plan to be actioned.

We’re all aware of the attendance situation, which is mainly put down to playing 6 miles away from our core fanbase. That point seems to have been missed.

Fortunately a lack of bums of seats is made up by pitch hire, weddings, gym memberships, venue hire, motorbike lessons, scanning facilities etc etc.

Roll on Maidenhead away.

[Shrimperama]

I would say 99% of away oponents guesting on this or any forum cannot leave a praise message without a tiny taste of sour grapes. Wonder if this poster leaves forum messages pre and post game for every opponent?

Tbf I do generally post on other boards.

No sour grapes here. It was a general observation but if you have a business built alongside to financially aid the club then that's great.

We have only had new ownership for about 6 weeks so it's going to take quite a while to undo 25 years of mismanagement and neglect.

We are massively short on squad depth and quality. It's goin to take time to get the club much more sustainable and overhaul the playing staff.

I've no doubt that Barnet will be right in the mix for automatic promotion.

If we can add a bit more fire power we should make the play offs.

[letchbee94]

Very good performance and another impressive win especially after Southend got back into it.
The new signings really impressed me yesterday, Harry Champman looks excellent signing.

Southend looked nothing special but that could be that we made them look that way with how we performed.