Rochdale (Fortress Hive) The Dale Light Robbery Match Thread

[becbee]

Deano makes a big thing about his honesty, which I imagine is appreciated by his players. Also his passion - imagine how low you'd feel working for the likes of Lawrie Sanchez, Harry Kewell etc. At least the players hear that Deano cares!

In our working lives we've all had bosses whom we rated between 1-10. Unsurprisingly I never had the Deano characters but I did have the ones who just wanted an easy life and the ones who said one thing to my face and another behind my back. I didn't respect those managers and respect is the most important aspect of any employee / boss relationship.

Just need a set of earplugs for the off days. And even Deano acknowledged on Saturday that maybe the players need to hear less of his voice!

[simples169]

Just need a set of earplugs for the off days. And even Deano acknowledged on Saturday that maybe the players need to hear less of his voice!
I hope that means just on a match day and not him thinking of leaving the club?

[rudebwoyben]

In his meet the fans event a few weeks ago, he said that on matchday pre-match he ensures that he has as little contact with the players as possible as they don’t need further instruction from him.



Obviously that goes out of the window once the match starts!

[DerekRocholl]

Whatever you might think about his approach, it's evident the players buy into it.

The way some of our players have celebrated goals this season. And I don't mean the scorers, but those not involved in the goal. Everybody wants this a lot. Togederness.

I know if I had a demanding and passionate boss, who ultimately believed in me as a player, I would bleed for him too and do my best to iron out any flaws in my game / win his approval.

Not sure it is evident they all buy into it. His track record of getting improved performances out of players joining the club seems pretty mixed to me. Kabamba and Oluwo stand out as players who seem to have developed well under Brennan, others like Beard,Wynter and Kanu seemed to regress and others just seemed to stand still.

I'd say the following have thrived under Dean:
Ephron Mason Clarke - that first 6/7 games before he went peterborough, he was a different player.
Ryan De Haviland - League one move after signing for us and not looking ready for first team football until development under Dean.
Laurie Walker up until he hit his ceiling
Dale Gorman (was terrible for Yeovil, far improved under Dean)
Harry Pritchard (by his own admission has his best time in his career under Dean)
Callum Stead (signed from Semi-pro and come on heaps and bounds this season)
Ben Coker ( we were told he was finished yet is still getting great numbers for us)
Zak Brunt (developing massively)
Nicke Kabamba (record speaks for itself)
Jerome Okimo
Ade Oluwo
Danny Collinge (signed from a relegated Dover team)
Mark Shelton (released and hated by Oldham fans for his performances)

Players like Grimwood, Rye, Glover, Wilkinson, Francis, Hobson will all no doubt develop under Dean's management.

There are players that havent thrived under him, and look where they are now. I would say only Marvin Armstrong is thriving since leaving a Dean Brennan team.

So did he or didn't he develop EMC and RDH and why is it that players like Walker and Beard seemed to go backwards with him ?

We could debate this all day long the reality is that under Brennan some improved, some got worse, some stayed the same. I would put Brunt, Collinge, and Okimo in the latter category. They were decent players when we signed them.

Brennan is clearly capable of building teams that can challenge, but IMO that seems to be mostly through acquisition and churn rather than development. How many BFC academy/youth team players has Brennan bought through to be regular first team starters ?

[thebeekeeper]

Whatever you might think about his approach, it's evident the players buy into it.

The way some of our players have celebrated goals this season. And I don't mean the scorers, but those not involved in the goal. Everybody wants this a lot. Togederness.

I know if I had a demanding and passionate boss, who ultimately believed in me as a player, I would bleed for him too and do my best to iron out any flaws in my game / win his approval.

Not sure it is evident they all buy into it. His track record of getting improved performances out of players joining the club seems pretty mixed to me. Kabamba and Oluwo stand out as players who seem to have developed well under Brennan, others like Beard,Wynter and Kanu seemed to regress and others just seemed to stand still.

I'd say the following have thrived under Dean:
Ephron Mason Clarke - that first 6/7 games before he went peterborough, he was a different player.
Ryan De Haviland - League one move after signing for us and not looking ready for first team football until development under Dean.
Laurie Walker up until he hit his ceiling
Dale Gorman (was terrible for Yeovil, far improved under Dean)
Harry Pritchard (by his own admission has his best time in his career under Dean)
Callum Stead (signed from Semi-pro and come on heaps and bounds this season)
Ben Coker ( we were told he was finished yet is still getting great numbers for us)
Zak Brunt (developing massively)
Nicke Kabamba (record speaks for itself)
Jerome Okimo
Ade Oluwo
Danny Collinge (signed from a relegated Dover team)
Mark Shelton (released and hated by Oldham fans for his performances)

Players like Grimwood, Rye, Glover, Wilkinson, Francis, Hobson will all no doubt develop under Dean's management.

There are players that havent thrived under him, and look where they are now. I would say only Marvin Armstrong is thriving since leaving a Dean Brennan team.

So did he or didn't he develop EMC and RDH and why is it that players like Walker and Beard seemed to go backwards with him ?

We could debate this all day long the reality is that under Brennan some improved, some got worse, some stayed the same. I would put Brunt, Collinge, and Okimo in the latter category. They were decent players when we signed them.

Brennan is clearly capable of building teams that can challenge, but IMO that seems to be mostly through acquisition and churn rather than development. How many BFC academy/youth team players has Brennan bought through to be regular first team starters ?

Our youth team nowadays is basically a glorified school team, there's no comparison to the fully funded set-up we had while in the EFL, that produced the likes of EMC, Jack and Harry Taylor, Matt Stevens etc. So it's not really reasonable to expect DB to have developed any youth products.

I would argue, as WestHampsteadBee has, that Brennan has improved the vast majority of players - or at least provided an environment where they've been able to thrive, by recruiting the right personnel for his tactical approach.

[becbee]

And of course, even the best manager in the world cannot improve every player because for a player to improve, the player himself has to be prepared to put in all the hard work, dedication and effort. As the saying goes, you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

[DerekRocholl]

And of course different horses respond differently to the application of a pro cush. Some try harder others dig their heels in or veer off course and some just bolt.

[62_Years_A_Bee]

Today's win means that for the first time in club history, we have won our first NINE competitive home games in a season.

For interest, next best is W8, D1, L0 which has been done five times, including last season...

Sorry. Only just seen this post.

Barnet also started the season with nine wins in 1963/64. See your excellent site!

Have you discounted the win against the Athenian League, which was a bit like the Community Shield? Or have I made a mistake? (There is also a game v Alf D'Arcy XI, which I assume was his testimonial, so I have discounted that.)

[erichitchmo]

Today's win means that for the first time in club history, we have won our first NINE competitive home games in a season.

For interest, next best is W8, D1, L0 which has been done five times, including last season...

Sorry. Only just seen this post.

Barnet also started the season with nine wins in 1963/64. See your excellent site!

Have you discounted the win against the Athenian League, which was a bit like the Community Shield? Or have I made a mistake? (There is also a game v Alf D'Arcy XI, which I assume was his testimonial, so I have discounted that.)

We have discounted that game as a non-competitive fixture, so that season stopped at eight. I guess that could be up for debate…

[BRFBee]

Deano makes a big thing about his honesty, which I imagine is appreciated by his players. Also his passion - imagine how low you'd feel working for the likes of Lawrie Sanchez, Harry Kewell etc. At least the players hear that Deano cares!

In our working lives we've all had bosses whom we rated between 1-10. Unsurprisingly I never had the Deano characters but I did have the ones who just wanted an easy life and the ones who said one thing to my face and another behind my back. I didn't respect those managers and respect is the most important aspect of any employee / boss relationship.

Just need a set of earplugs for the off days. And even Deano acknowledged on Saturday that maybe the players need to hear less of his voice!

I've absolutely worked for a Deano, he's not for everyone, but he got the most out of me of any manager I ever worked for. Trust was the imperative, if I didn't believe he ultimately had my best interests at heart it would have be an impossible situation, as I've worked for those guys before too and everything suffers as there's never a let up.

[hoppy]

I was sat behind Steve Evans before couldn’t think of anyone more unpleasant. Never out of work though.

Must admit I hadn't realised he'd left Stevenage. Always felt they deserved each other. Despite his successes, never would have wanted him as our manager. Clearly, there's a difference between passionate plain speaking (Brennan) and sheer nastiness.

7 promotions as a manager, would have been great at Barnet. Works best with small clubs.

Rotherham have sacked Steve Evans.

[BEEGONE]

I was sat behind Steve Evans before couldn’t think of anyone more unpleasant. Never out of work though.

Must admit I hadn't realised he'd left Stevenage. Always felt they deserved each other. Despite his successes, never would have wanted him as our manager. Clearly, there's a difference between passionate plain speaking (Brennan) and sheer nastiness.

7 promotions as a manager, would have been great at Barnet. Works best with small clubs.

Rotherham have sacked Steve Evans.

As I said, works best with small clubs

[Sam_BFC]

His first spell with Rotherham was a huge success though.

[BEEGONE]

His first spell with Rotherham was a huge success though.

Massively, the man works wonders at most clubs.