Official - Barnet lay off all non-playing staff

[BeesKnees]

The death rate is far less than 0.07%, as things stand.

It really isn't.
As explained you are looking at the death rate from those who has caught it up to the same time as them. You cannot include those infected in the past two weeks as you don't know if they will live or die yet.

We don’t test enough. There are far more people with this than the official figures (hence my 50000 figure) if you suffer the symptoms now and call 111 they tell you to stay at home and take paracetamol and fluid (my colleague did this yesterday). Only when you enter a hospital do they confirm you have it.

We need to test more to get the data on recovery, which would give us a better idea on probable mortality rates. Maybe Antony or Foxy can give us an insight into why we’re not testing more people, who have the classic symptoms.

We have this data from elsewhere, as I previously said

"What you have to do is know the number of cases 18 days ago when they most likely caught it. This maths has been done as the numbers double every 4-5 days, meaning the number infected was eight times lower than today. Assuming we currently have 60,000 infected then 18 days ago the number was 7,500 which makes the death rate just under 1%.

What statisticians have actually done is turn this on it's head, while numbers are growing exponentially then you get a good idea of the number infected by multiplying the number of deaths by 800. Meaning our government current think there are around 56,000 infected."

The testing is needed to track and prevent infection being transmitted so you can reduce spread. We have chosen to just let it loose and if the governments figures are right then between 40,000 and 120,000 will die because we chose not to track it. .

[Mikel Bee]

The death rate is far less than 0.07%, as things stand.

It really isn't.
As explained you are looking at the death rate from those who has caught it up to the same time as them. You cannot include those infected in the past two weeks as you don't know if they will live or die yet.

We don’t test enough. There are far more people with this than the official figures (hence my 50000 figure) if you suffer the symptoms now and call 111 they tell you to stay at home and take paracetamol and fluid (my colleague did this yesterday). Only when you enter a hospital do they confirm you have it.

We need to test more to get the data on recovery, which would give us a better idea on probable mortality rates. Maybe Antony or Foxy can give us an insight into why we’re not testing more people, who have the classic symptoms.

South Korea have been praised by the World Health Organisation as testing extensively within the community and the current death rate there is 1%. That figure doesn't take in to account the long lead time for people to die from this disease so the rate is likely to be at least 2-3%. Compare that to 0.1% for the seasonal flu and you can see why this is being taken very seriously.

[Bee_Happy]

Unfortunately most of the world has completely lost the plot when faced with a virus that to most people is no more serious than a bad cold / mild flu.

Rather than just isolating and protecting vulnerable groups (i.e. the elderly and those with serious medicinal conditions), who are the ones who are at genuine risk of major illness or death, everyone is being told to keep themselves to themselves and stay away from work. Aside from the very serious implications this has for almost all businesses and the economy, this isn’t going to work, because without catching the virus and developing herd immunity, the virus will simply reappear in a big way whenever people do eventually go back to work or school.

Faced with such lunacy, what can business owners like TK do? Just lay people off and wait for the general public to get so fucked off that they put pressure on the Government and common sense prevails.

How is the NHS going to survive and expand to cope with this virus, if the majority of the population who earn money and pay taxes to support the service can’t work?

No-one asked for your armchair microbiology.

[RobYeltz]

Best wishes Barnet folk, sad to hear of your news today. Hopefully things work out for you in the end.

[Tynant14]

I have read with great interest the comments of some of the more intelligent folk together with the stupid comments of the Keyboard Warriors.
Coronavirus is a worldwde problem. It is not just centered around Barnet FC.
We have all known for a long time that the football team was not able to support itself and relied on funds from the rest of the activities at The Hive.
We now have a situation where there is no income to The Hive from weddings (which Keyboard Warriors have complained about), socials, pitch hire etc.
No money coming in means no money available to go out.
Does anyone have a plan to bring in money durng this difficult time. I would like to hear any plans.
I am sure TK would like advise on how to contnue.
Watch the press for other clubs having problems.

[foxy]

The death rate is far less than 0.07%, as things stand.

It really isn't.
As explained you are looking at the death rate from those who has caught it up to the same time as them. You cannot include those infected in the past two weeks as you don't know if they will live or die yet.

We don’t test enough. There are far more people with this than the official figures (hence my 50000 figure) if you suffer the symptoms now and call 111 they tell you to stay at home and take paracetamol and fluid (my colleague did this yesterday). Only when you enter a hospital do they confirm you have it.

We need to test more to get the data on recovery, which would give us a better idea on probable mortality rates. Maybe Antony or Foxy can give us an insight into why we’re not testing more people, who have the classic symptoms.

I only work for the Blood Transfusion side of the NHS so not really my remit to answer, currently blood stocks are healthy but donation sessions are still continuing as per normal where permitted. As expected there has been a drop in urban areas of blood donors - Our main centre in Oxford Circus for example has been hit the worst however mobile sessions in out-posted, more rural areas have seen a better attendance as generally in times of need people are very good (however in this particular situation the demand for blood has not increased)

All front line staff are still required as per normal but anyone else is encouraged to work from home to minimise any potential risk. However, like how Anthony says, we do have similar EP measures in place for those who do have past clinical/operational experience have been urged to self-isolate as much as possible just incase we are needed to assist with any front line activities due to sickness, overload in capacity etc.

Coming to give blood is considered essential travel.

https://www.blood.co.uk/news-and-campai ... 9-updates/

No testing for the virus is done on a blood donation session.

[BeesKnees]

The results of tests done today will be received on Monday.

Tests made in China and South Korea are received in under 4 hours.

That is how out of touch we are.

[beew]

The results of tests done today will be received on Monday.

Tests made in China and South Korea are received in under 4 hours.

That is how out of touch we are.

This is where I feel we're lacking, but also, can we really believe the data coming from China?

Thanks for the Info Foxy, very informative.

[BeesKnees]

The results of tests done today will be received on Monday.

Tests made in China and South Korea are received in under 4 hours.

That is how out of touch we are.

This is where I feel we're lacking, but also, can we really believe the data coming from China?

Thanks for the Info Foxy, very informative.

As the main source of my data in China is a British professor working in Shanghai and the Lancet medical journal then I am prepared to look at it. As it is coroborated and supported by other evidence then I trust it.

[StephenM]

I really don't know why the government doesn't consult internet forums and Twitter, they both seem to know far more about this virus than any so called 'expert'.

[BeesKnees]

I really don't know why the government doesn't consult internet forums and Twitter, they both seem to know far more about this virus than any so called 'expert'.

I'd rather they consulted experts currently dealing with the virus in other countries and followed the advice of the WHO

[alexbach]

The who or the ironic acronym BTID

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[chesbee]

With this lack of income, seems strange why no membership payments were taken at the beginning of the month before all this broke.

[Norfolk & Chance]

The two are linked.

[OB1]

I have read with great interest the comments of some of the more intelligent folk together with the stupid comments of the Keyboard Warriors.
Coronavirus is a worldwde problem. It is not just centered around Barnet FC.
We have all known for a long time that the football team was not able to support itself and relied on funds from the rest of the activities at The Hive.
We now have a situation where there is no income to The Hive from weddings (which Keyboard Warriors have complained about), socials, pitch hire etc.
No money coming in means no money available to go out.
Does anyone have a plan to bring in money durng this difficult time. I would like to hear any plans.
I am sure TK would like advise on how to contnue.
Watch the press for other clubs having problems.

Well said Tynant14. Another factor may be that TK is getting fed up with the amount of abuse he gets from so called “supporters “